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"Flutter is amazingly successful. It's already the leading mobile app development framework" ???

wg0 3y ago
Where is that happening? I want to move there.
munificent 3y ago
There are a lot of reasonable metrics one might use to define "leading mobile app development framework": * Number of developers using it on some daily/weekly/monthly, etc. cadence. * Number of apps published (to iOS, Android, both). * Number of jobs available using the framework. * Various subjective desirability metrics from developers survey like the StackOverflow ones. It's anyone's guess as to which is the best metric or how they should be combined. Also, it's very hard to actually get accurate data on it. But, according to Statistica at least, yes Flutter really is the most popular mobile app framework as of 2022: https://www.statista.com/statistics/869224/worldwide-software-developer-working-hours/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/869224/worldwide-softwar... It looks like that's based on a developer survey. I don't know more about its methodology.
- kllrnohj 3y ago
  When filtered to "cross platform mobile app frameworks" anyway, which is a huge reduction in scope - 1/3rd of respondents in that study in fact. So 46% of 33% of mobile app developers that aren't building mobile websites use Flutter. That's not bad at all, but hardly supports a claim of being the "leading mobile app development framework" as you're down to ~15% of mobile app developers using it. And only then since mobile web is being excluded, who knows what it'd be if that was included.
  - julianozen 3y ago
    Well assuming Swift and Kotlin split the remaining half 50/50 (I think this is reasonable as most major apps are on both platforms and it is unlikely to use Swit for iOS but flutter for Android), they're probably only 25% each. Unless you want to count them both as Native at 50%?
  - hbn 3y ago
    To add to this, perhaps anecdotal but I've noticed Flutter to be in that specific area of people who like it and use it feel like they're underdogs, fighting in the war to make it the next big thing. It's not the default way to write an app on either Android nor iOS, so they're vocal about spreading the word and getting/keeping momentum. People who use Swift/UIKit to make apps may like it, but it's also the default way to make an iOS app, so they don't feel the need to fight a war. That language was handed down from above as the winner of iOS development. Same for Java/Kotlin/native UI libraries on Android.
- iainmerrick 3y ago
  Huh, that’s hard to believe. If you go by job postings, React Native is miles ahead.
mil22 3y ago
https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2023/development/#mobile_crossplatform_frmwrk_two_years https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2023/development/#... Flutter: 46% React Native: 35% Unity: 10% Cordova: 10% Ionic: 9% Xamarin: 8% Just one datapoint, of course - a survey of 26,384 developers.

wg0 3y ago

Where is that happening? I want to move there.

There are a lot of reasonable metrics one might use to define "leading mobile app development framework": * Number of developers using it on some daily/weekly/monthly, etc. cadence. * Number of apps published (to iOS, Android, both). * Number of jobs available using the framework. * Various subjective desirability metrics from developers survey like the StackOverflow ones. It's anyone's guess as to which is the best metric or how they should be combined. Also, it's very hard to actually get accurate data on it. But, according to Statistica at least, yes Flutter really is the most popular mobile app framework as of 2022: https://www.statista.com/statistics/869224/worldwide-software-developer-working-hours/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/869224/worldwide-softwar... It looks like that's based on a developer survey. I don't know more about its methodology.

kllrnohj 3y ago
When filtered to "cross platform mobile app frameworks" anyway, which is a huge reduction in scope - 1/3rd of respondents in that study in fact. So 46% of 33% of mobile app developers that aren't building mobile websites use Flutter. That's not bad at all, but hardly supports a claim of being the "leading mobile app development framework" as you're down to ~15% of mobile app developers using it. And only then since mobile web is being excluded, who knows what it'd be if that was included.
- julianozen 3y ago
  Well assuming Swift and Kotlin split the remaining half 50/50 (I think this is reasonable as most major apps are on both platforms and it is unlikely to use Swit for iOS but flutter for Android), they're probably only 25% each. Unless you want to count them both as Native at 50%?
- hbn 3y ago
  To add to this, perhaps anecdotal but I've noticed Flutter to be in that specific area of people who like it and use it feel like they're underdogs, fighting in the war to make it the next big thing. It's not the default way to write an app on either Android nor iOS, so they're vocal about spreading the word and getting/keeping momentum. People who use Swift/UIKit to make apps may like it, but it's also the default way to make an iOS app, so they don't feel the need to fight a war. That language was handed down from above as the winner of iOS development. Same for Java/Kotlin/native UI libraries on Android.
iainmerrick 3y ago
Huh, that’s hard to believe. If you go by job postings, React Native is miles ahead.

mil22 3y ago

https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2023/development/#mobile_crossplatform_frmwrk_two_years https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2023/development/#... Flutter: 46% React Native: 35% Unity: 10% Cordova: 10% Ionic: 9% Xamarin: 8% Just one datapoint, of course - a survey of 26,384 developers.