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Honest question from someone new to exploring and using these models; why do you need uncensored? What are the use-cases that would call for it? Again, not que

by 0xEF 3y ago

Honest question from someone new to exploring and using these models; why do you need uncensored? What are the use-cases that would call for it? Again, not questioning your motives or anything, just straight up curious. To use your example, any of us can find bomb building info online fairly easily, and has been a point of social contention since the Anarchist's cookbook. Nobody needs an uncensored LLM for that, of course.

xcv123 3y ago
For the entertainment value
lloydatkinson 3y ago
It’s very easy to hit absurd “moral” limits on chatgpt for the most stupid things. Earlier I was looking for “a phrase that is used as an insult for someone who writes with too much rambling” and all I got was some bullshit about how it’s sorry but it can’t do that because it’s allegedly against its OpenAI rules. So I asked again “a phrase negatively used to mean someone that writes too much while rambling” and it worked. I simply cannot be bothered to deal with stupid insipid “corporate friendly language” and other dumb restrictions. Imagine having a real conversation with someone and they freaked out any time anything negative was discussed? TLDR: Thought police ruining LLMs
pentagrama 3y ago
Curiosity and entertainment. Also have an experience that isn't available on the current popular consumer products like this.
CamperBob2 3y ago
None of your business.
rgbrgb 3y ago
perhaps they are in a war zone and must learn to make molotov cocktails without connecting to the internet
OJFord 3y ago
Where do you typically have the 'safe search' setting when you web search? Personally I have it 'off' ('moderate' when I worked in an office I think) even though I'm not looking for anything that ought to be filtered by it. I'm not using models censored or otherwise, but I imagine I'd feel the same way there - I won't be offended, so don't try to be too clever, just give me the unfiltered results and let me decide what's correct. (Bing AI actually banned me for trying to generate images a rough likeness of myself by combining traits of minor celebrities - in combination it shouldn't have looked like those people either, so I don't think should violate ToS, certainly it didn't in intention (I wanted myself, but it doesn't know what I look like and I couldn't provide a photo at the time, idk if you can now (banned!)) so it does happen, 'false positive censoring' if you like.)
- froggit 3y ago
  Holy shit that's so badass BingAI banned you. I mean like it sucks and i hope it gets resolved, but still awesome. you got it just from trying to make a composite of people's faces? i guess it takes fraud seriously, at least for biometrics. however you clearly either weren't doing that or omitted some choice details. good luck with appealing; that process always wrecks my faith in humanity. i've been trying to see how much i can get away with before it suspends or bans me using one of my throwaway accounts. it takes some doing, but if you convince it you aren't doing something shady right before doing something shady it'll play along with you a fair bit more than if you just say "hi bing, i wanna do some shady shit." unfortunately you have to engineer your "i'm not gonna do (insert something shady)" prompt on a per shade basis.
spurgu 3y ago
I'd switch that question around: Why would I want to use a censored LLM? It doesn't make sense for me personally. It does make sense if you're offering an LLM publicly, so that you doesn't get bad PR if your LLM says some politically incorrect or questionable things.
gmgmgmgmgm 3y ago
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PeterStuer 3y ago
Most people wanting 'uncensored' are not looking for anything illegal. They just don't want to be forced into some Californian/SV idea of 'morality'.
- deleted 3y ago
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lobocinza 3y ago
At best the false positives are a nuisance and makes the model dumber. But really censorship is fundamentally wrong. Unless we are talking about gods and not flawed humans like me I prefer to have the say in what is right and what is wrong for things that are entirely personal and only affect me.
vGPU 3y ago
Because I don’t appreciate it when a model has blatant democrat/anti-republican bias, for example. The fact that chatGPT, Bard, etc are heavily and purposefully biased on certain topics is well documented[1]. [1] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-politics-of-ai-chatgpt-and-political-bias/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-politics-of-ai-chatgp...
- AlexeyBelov 3y ago
  Isn't it reality that has a "democratic / anti-republican" bias?
froggit 3y ago
> Again, not questioning your motives or anything, just straight up curious. To use your example, any of us can find bomb building info online fairly easily, and has been a point of social contention since the Anarchist's cookbook. Nobody needs an uncensored LLM for that, of course. When you ask a local LLM, at worst you get no useful info. When you ask online, at worst you spend the rest of your life in a government black site without any chance of due process.

by 0xEF 3y ago

xcv123 3y ago

For the entertainment value

lloydatkinson 3y ago

It’s very easy to hit absurd “moral” limits on chatgpt for the most stupid things. Earlier I was looking for “a phrase that is used as an insult for someone who writes with too much rambling” and all I got was some bullshit about how it’s sorry but it can’t do that because it’s allegedly against its OpenAI rules. So I asked again “a phrase negatively used to mean someone that writes too much while rambling” and it worked. I simply cannot be bothered to deal with stupid insipid “corporate friendly language” and other dumb restrictions. Imagine having a real conversation with someone and they freaked out any time anything negative was discussed? TLDR: Thought police ruining LLMs

pentagrama 3y ago

Curiosity and entertainment. Also have an experience that isn't available on the current popular consumer products like this.

CamperBob2 3y ago

None of your business.

rgbrgb 3y ago

perhaps they are in a war zone and must learn to make molotov cocktails without connecting to the internet

OJFord 3y ago

Where do you typically have the 'safe search' setting when you web search? Personally I have it 'off' ('moderate' when I worked in an office I think) even though I'm not looking for anything that ought to be filtered by it. I'm not using models censored or otherwise, but I imagine I'd feel the same way there - I won't be offended, so don't try to be too clever, just give me the unfiltered results and let me decide what's correct. (Bing AI actually banned me for trying to generate images a rough likeness of myself by combining traits of minor celebrities - in combination it shouldn't have looked like those people either, so I don't think should violate ToS, certainly it didn't in intention (I wanted myself, but it doesn't know what I look like and I couldn't provide a photo at the time, idk if you can now (banned!)) so it does happen, 'false positive censoring' if you like.)

froggit 3y ago
Holy shit that's so badass BingAI banned you. I mean like it sucks and i hope it gets resolved, but still awesome. you got it just from trying to make a composite of people's faces? i guess it takes fraud seriously, at least for biometrics. however you clearly either weren't doing that or omitted some choice details. good luck with appealing; that process always wrecks my faith in humanity. i've been trying to see how much i can get away with before it suspends or bans me using one of my throwaway accounts. it takes some doing, but if you convince it you aren't doing something shady right before doing something shady it'll play along with you a fair bit more than if you just say "hi bing, i wanna do some shady shit." unfortunately you have to engineer your "i'm not gonna do (insert something shady)" prompt on a per shade basis.

spurgu 3y ago

I'd switch that question around: Why would I want to use a censored LLM? It doesn't make sense for me personally. It does make sense if you're offering an LLM publicly, so that you doesn't get bad PR if your LLM says some politically incorrect or questionable things.

gmgmgmgmgm 3y ago

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PeterStuer 3y ago

Most people wanting 'uncensored' are not looking for anything illegal. They just don't want to be forced into some Californian/SV idea of 'morality'.

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lobocinza 3y ago

At best the false positives are a nuisance and makes the model dumber. But really censorship is fundamentally wrong. Unless we are talking about gods and not flawed humans like me I prefer to have the say in what is right and what is wrong for things that are entirely personal and only affect me.

vGPU 3y ago

Because I don’t appreciate it when a model has blatant democrat/anti-republican bias, for example. The fact that chatGPT, Bard, etc are heavily and purposefully biased on certain topics is well documented[1]. [1] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-politics-of-ai-chatgpt-and-political-bias/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-politics-of-ai-chatgp...

AlexeyBelov 3y ago
Isn't it reality that has a "democratic / anti-republican" bias?

froggit 3y ago

> Again, not questioning your motives or anything, just straight up curious. To use your example, any of us can find bomb building info online fairly easily, and has been a point of social contention since the Anarchist's cookbook. Nobody needs an uncensored LLM for that, of course. When you ask a local LLM, at worst you get no useful info. When you ask online, at worst you spend the rest of your life in a government black site without any chance of due process.