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"In practice, board bylaws and common sense mean that individuals ... don't do stupid shit." Were you watching a different show than the rest of us?

badloginagain 3y ago
And we're seeing the result in real-time. Stupid shit doers have been replaced with hopefully-less-stupid-shit-doers. It's a real shame too, because this is a clear loss for the AI Alignment crowd. I'm on the fence about the whole alignment thing, but at least there is a strong moral compass in the field- especially compared to something like crypto.
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- alsetmusic 3y ago
  > at least there is a strong moral compass in the field Is this still true when the board gets overhauled after trying to uphold the moral compass.
  - saalweachter 3y ago
    And when the CEO's other thing is a cryptocurrency?
    - lacrimacida 3y ago
      Sama’s moral compass clearly has north pointing at money and that will definitely get him to a different destination.
jjoonathan 3y ago
No, this is the part of the show where the patronizing rhetoric gets trotted out to rationalize discarding the principles that have suddenly become inconvenient for the people with power.
- photochemsyn 3y ago
  No worries. The same kind of people who devoted their time and energy to creating open-source operating systems in the era of Microsoft and Apple are now devoting their time and energy to doing the same for non-lobotomized LLMs. Look at these clowns (Ilya & Sam and their angry talkie-bot), it's a revelation, like Bill Gates on Linux in 2000: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N36wtDYK8kI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N36wtDYK8kI
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  No, its the part of the show where they go back to providing empty lip service to the principles and using them as a pretext for things that actually serve narrow proprietary interests, the same way they were before the leadership that has been doing that for a long time was temporarily removed until those sharing the proprietary interests revolted for a return to the status quo ante.
hinkley 3y ago
I get a lostredditor vibe way too often here. Oddly more than Reddit. I think people forget sometimes that comments come with a context. If we are having a conversation about Deep Water Horizon someone will chime in about how safe deep sea oil exploration is and how many failsafes blah blah blah. “Do you know where you are right now?”
- Juicyy 3y ago
  Its a more technical space then reddit. Youre gonna have more know it alls spewing
  - jachee 3y ago
    You know that know-it-all should be hyphenated, right? … ;)
- LordDragonfang 3y ago
  >I think people forget sometimes that comments come with a context. I mean, this is definitely one of my pet peeves, but the wider context of this conversation is specifically a board doing stupid shit, so that's a very relevant counterexample to the thing being stated. Board members in general often do stupid/short-sighted shit (especially in tech), and I don't know of any examples of corporate board members recusing themselves.
  - mhluongo 3y ago
    Common example of recusal is CEO comp when the CEO is on the board.
    - alsetmusic 3y ago
      That's what I would term a black-and-white case. I don't think there's anyone with sense who would argue in good faith that a CEO should get a vote on their own salary. There are many degrees of grey between outright corruption and this example, and I think the concern lies within.
freedomben 3y ago
You need to be able to separate macro-level and micro-level. GP is responding to a comment about the IRS caring about the conflict-of-interest on paper. The IRS has to make and follow rules at a macro level. Micro-level events obviously can affect the macro view, but you don't completely ignore the macro because something bad happened at the micro level. That's how you get knee-jerk reactionary governance, which is highly emotional.
dev_tty01 3y ago
Yes, and we were also watching the thousands and thousands of companies where these types of conflicts are handled easily by decent people and common sense. Don't confuse the outlier with the silent majority.

badloginagain 3y ago

And we're seeing the result in real-time. Stupid shit doers have been replaced with hopefully-less-stupid-shit-doers. It's a real shame too, because this is a clear loss for the AI Alignment crowd. I'm on the fence about the whole alignment thing, but at least there is a strong moral compass in the field- especially compared to something like crypto.

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alsetmusic 3y ago
> at least there is a strong moral compass in the field Is this still true when the board gets overhauled after trying to uphold the moral compass.
- saalweachter 3y ago
  And when the CEO's other thing is a cryptocurrency?
  - lacrimacida 3y ago
    Sama’s moral compass clearly has north pointing at money and that will definitely get him to a different destination.

jjoonathan 3y ago

No, this is the part of the show where the patronizing rhetoric gets trotted out to rationalize discarding the principles that have suddenly become inconvenient for the people with power.

photochemsyn 3y ago
No worries. The same kind of people who devoted their time and energy to creating open-source operating systems in the era of Microsoft and Apple are now devoting their time and energy to doing the same for non-lobotomized LLMs. Look at these clowns (Ilya & Sam and their angry talkie-bot), it's a revelation, like Bill Gates on Linux in 2000: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N36wtDYK8kI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N36wtDYK8kI
dragonwriter 3y ago
No, its the part of the show where they go back to providing empty lip service to the principles and using them as a pretext for things that actually serve narrow proprietary interests, the same way they were before the leadership that has been doing that for a long time was temporarily removed until those sharing the proprietary interests revolted for a return to the status quo ante.

hinkley 3y ago

I get a lostredditor vibe way too often here. Oddly more than Reddit. I think people forget sometimes that comments come with a context. If we are having a conversation about Deep Water Horizon someone will chime in about how safe deep sea oil exploration is and how many failsafes blah blah blah. “Do you know where you are right now?”

Juicyy 3y ago
Its a more technical space then reddit. Youre gonna have more know it alls spewing
- jachee 3y ago
  You know that know-it-all should be hyphenated, right? … ;)
LordDragonfang 3y ago
>I think people forget sometimes that comments come with a context. I mean, this is definitely one of my pet peeves, but the wider context of this conversation is specifically a board doing stupid shit, so that's a very relevant counterexample to the thing being stated. Board members in general often do stupid/short-sighted shit (especially in tech), and I don't know of any examples of corporate board members recusing themselves.
- mhluongo 3y ago
  Common example of recusal is CEO comp when the CEO is on the board.
  - alsetmusic 3y ago
    That's what I would term a black-and-white case. I don't think there's anyone with sense who would argue in good faith that a CEO should get a vote on their own salary. There are many degrees of grey between outright corruption and this example, and I think the concern lies within.

freedomben 3y ago

You need to be able to separate macro-level and micro-level. GP is responding to a comment about the IRS caring about the conflict-of-interest on paper. The IRS has to make and follow rules at a macro level. Micro-level events obviously can affect the macro view, but you don't completely ignore the macro because something bad happened at the micro level. That's how you get knee-jerk reactionary governance, which is highly emotional.

dev_tty01 3y ago

Yes, and we were also watching the thousands and thousands of companies where these types of conflicts are handled easily by decent people and common sense. Don't confuse the outlier with the silent majority.