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Oh come on India bullied Canada and got away with it. Maybe there is some “justice” coming but all that’s happened is Canada showed it was too scared to take an

by dmix 3y ago

Oh come on India bullied Canada and got away with it. Maybe there is some “justice” coming but all that’s happened is Canada showed it was too scared to take any risk at all, had a soft as hell muted response by a leader who clearly isn’t respected enough to be taken seriously to sell consequences. His behaviour before this incident set this up for failure too, it’s a long built up pattern where Canada is losing its position as a diplomatic power player and this just shows our leadership as a global moral authority is basically been nullified. This is diplomatic and precedent setting as much as it’s a pursuit of some specific criminal justice. Obsessing about not disrupting the the economic/diplomatic/immigration status quo, not offending anybody even when they seriously violate your sovereignty, and just generally playing nice guy is not how you deal with this sort of situation.

stefan_ 3y ago
It's funny, you clearly read the news in this very thread (US publicly denouncing a kill plot on US soil), yet you absolutely don't manage to connect the two.
llm_nerd 3y ago
>This is diplomatic and precedent setting Extrajudicial killings by governments have happened for time eternal. There is absolutely nothing new or precedent setting about this. The truth is that most of the time governments deal with it quietly and behind the scenes. It's actually incredibly odd for the US to have announced what they have, and it is almost certainly because of the Canada thing. >a leader who clearly isn’t respected enough You have partisan glasses on. What do you think any other leader would have done? Would Harper have declared war? Would PP in the future? Given that India absolutely flipped their shit (they've backtracked on all of it, as an aside...so powerful), clearly Canada's announcement by itself was an enormous action. But seriously, what do you think the US is going to do? The most powerful nation on the planet is going to...send some diplomatic cables and express their disatisfaction.
- maxglute 3y ago
  >But seriously, what do you think the US is going to do? If Canada had any sway, they could prod US to delay or suspend military tech transfer to India to compel an investigation. But obviously Canada doesn't have that kind of leverage.
  - llm_nerd 3y ago
    That's some bizarre logic. Especially given this submission is actually about India trying to kill a guy in the US... I guess the US has no sway over the US. Those Americans really wish they had that sort of leverage. Canada is completing its investigation, at which point they'll name various Indian government agents and charge them with murder. India will declare diplomatic immunity. Do you really think the horrendously corrupt Modi government is going to investigate its own actions in any meaningful or viable way? And just to be clear, the US announcing what they did is clearly putting its full weight behind Canada's findings.
    - maxglute 3y ago
      Sway is factor of domestic politics. US has sway not to over react precisely because it was a failed attempt. They can and would rather sweep dead brown American under rug than to undermine budding strategic condominium with India. Certainly they couldn't care less over dead brown Canadian. If India actually assassinated an American, on American soil no less, the US domestic politics would lose their shit at current US military tech transfers to India (like GE engines to HAL). I think US has the leverage to at least compel Modi to pretend to cooperate, or at least offer up fall guys like they did MBS over Khashoggi, if they were to put full weight behind Canada. Which they haven't, except to affirm Canadian findings, which they pretty much have to unless they want to blow up US/CAN relations. Current rhetorical support is meaningless.
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justin66 3y ago
> His behaviour before this incident set this up for failure too, it’s a long built up pattern where Canada is losing its position as a diplomatic power player I think the situation isn't as bad as it seems from the inside. In defense of Trudeau: ask a number of people outside Canada to name any Canadian Prime Ministers, and I bet most of them will readily be able to name only Trudeau. I just looked at the Wikipedia list and I only recognized four names, one of them because I knew Justin Trudeau's dad had once been Prime Minister, and one of them because Nardwuar embarrassed him once. What I'm saying is, I don't think there's some golden age of Canadian global influence that Justin Trudeau has caused you to fall from, and if that's your measure, he's actually not doing too bad. Regards, Justin Trudeau

by dmix 3y ago

stefan_ 3y ago

It's funny, you clearly read the news in this very thread (US publicly denouncing a kill plot on US soil), yet you absolutely don't manage to connect the two.

llm_nerd 3y ago

>This is diplomatic and precedent setting Extrajudicial killings by governments have happened for time eternal. There is absolutely nothing new or precedent setting about this. The truth is that most of the time governments deal with it quietly and behind the scenes. It's actually incredibly odd for the US to have announced what they have, and it is almost certainly because of the Canada thing. >a leader who clearly isn’t respected enough You have partisan glasses on. What do you think any other leader would have done? Would Harper have declared war? Would PP in the future? Given that India absolutely flipped their shit (they've backtracked on all of it, as an aside...so powerful), clearly Canada's announcement by itself was an enormous action. But seriously, what do you think the US is going to do? The most powerful nation on the planet is going to...send some diplomatic cables and express their disatisfaction.

maxglute 3y ago
>But seriously, what do you think the US is going to do? If Canada had any sway, they could prod US to delay or suspend military tech transfer to India to compel an investigation. But obviously Canada doesn't have that kind of leverage.
- llm_nerd 3y ago
  That's some bizarre logic. Especially given this submission is actually about India trying to kill a guy in the US... I guess the US has no sway over the US. Those Americans really wish they had that sort of leverage. Canada is completing its investigation, at which point they'll name various Indian government agents and charge them with murder. India will declare diplomatic immunity. Do you really think the horrendously corrupt Modi government is going to investigate its own actions in any meaningful or viable way? And just to be clear, the US announcing what they did is clearly putting its full weight behind Canada's findings.
  - maxglute 3y ago
    Sway is factor of domestic politics. US has sway not to over react precisely because it was a failed attempt. They can and would rather sweep dead brown American under rug than to undermine budding strategic condominium with India. Certainly they couldn't care less over dead brown Canadian. If India actually assassinated an American, on American soil no less, the US domestic politics would lose their shit at current US military tech transfers to India (like GE engines to HAL). I think US has the leverage to at least compel Modi to pretend to cooperate, or at least offer up fall guys like they did MBS over Khashoggi, if they were to put full weight behind Canada. Which they haven't, except to affirm Canadian findings, which they pretty much have to unless they want to blow up US/CAN relations. Current rhetorical support is meaningless.
    - llm_nerd 3y ago
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justin66 3y ago

> His behaviour before this incident set this up for failure too, it’s a long built up pattern where Canada is losing its position as a diplomatic power player I think the situation isn't as bad as it seems from the inside. In defense of Trudeau: ask a number of people outside Canada to name any Canadian Prime Ministers, and I bet most of them will readily be able to name only Trudeau. I just looked at the Wikipedia list and I only recognized four names, one of them because I knew Justin Trudeau's dad had once been Prime Minister, and one of them because Nardwuar embarrassed him once. What I'm saying is, I don't think there's some golden age of Canadian global influence that Justin Trudeau has caused you to fall from, and if that's your measure, he's actually not doing too bad. Regards, Justin Trudeau