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> US authorities...issued a warning to India’s government over concerns it was involved in the plot I'm interested in how some of these diplomacy decisions act
by tyingq 3y ago
> US authorities...issued a warning to India’s government over concerns it was involved in the plot
I'm interested in how some of these diplomacy decisions actually play out. I'm hoping some insider writes a book later.
Compare, for example, the case with Shireen Abu Akleh. It seems very clear she was deliberately killed by the IDF. She was an American citizen, wearing full press gear. As far as I can tell, the US never even gave a "stern warning" to Israel.
- anon291 3y agoA cursory search for Shireen Abu Akleh says she was killed by an Israeli soldisr in the west bank. American citizens dying in a foreign country is not a sovereignty threat
- tyingq 3y agoYes, it's a somewhat different diplomacy issue. Surely, though, a citizen of your country being killed by an allied country's military, that you give billions of dollars to every year, is...an issue of some magnitude?
- qaq 3y agoIf this is indeed Indian government they are aware they are conducting an opp on US soil. I have hard time imagining IDF has a policy of deliberately targeting US Citizens.
- tyingq 3y ago>I have hard time imagining IDF has a policy of deliberately targeting US Citizens. I agree with that, but I think it's fairly easy to assume they have a policy of deliberately targeting journalists, the citizenship probably didn't come into play in the decision.
- qaq 3y agoLooking at the history even if such policy exists they are def. trying to avoid targeting western journalists. As sad as it sounds if she looked like a westerner she would prob be alive. On the other hand I have no clue clue if Hamas etc. have history of using vests and other press gear as cover in their ops.
- tyingq 3y ago> even if such policy exists Compare the number of journalists killed in combat for any past entire year globally, and journalists killed in the last 5 weeks in Gaza, the West Bank, and southern Lebanon. Edit: I did mean "globally". Not compared to some single conflict. Compare to all journalists killed in combat, everywhere, for 2022, 2021, etc. As opposed to 6 weeks in small defined regions.
- qaq 3y agoI don't think there is an equivalent war zone to compare too. Say in Ukraine the front line is 1500 km long vs Gaza is tiny. If majority of journalists were killed from gun fire that would be fairly conclusive if they are killed from shelling or airstrikes it would be less clear.
- qaq 3y agoRe:Edit the point is still the same if the cause is gun shot it's fairly conclusive if the cause is airstrike or shelling than it's more likely to be collateral damage.
- tyingq 3y agoMore collateral damage to journalists than the sum total of what happened across an entire year across the entire globe. That doesn't raise an eyebrow?
- qaq 3y agoThis is most covered conflict playing out in very constrained area again if most deaths are from air strikes or shelling to me it would be indication that collateral damage is more likely explanation if most deaths are from targeted small arms fire it would be indication that journalists are being targeted.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> the US never even gave a "stern warning" to Israel Washington publicly demanded an independent investigation, in effect calling the Israeli investigation a sham. The FBI even got involved. That’s likely the reason Israel ever admitted that it was an Israeli bullet that killed her. Also, as other mentioned, getting killed abroad is night and day from getting killed at home.
- farseer 3y agoYou do know for tens of millions of Americans rapture and eventual salvation is not possible until Jews are firmly settled in the holy land. Israel has the backing to kill as many as necessary. Who is Shireen Abu Akleh?
- ImJamal 3y agoIt seems a bit different. The claim is that she was in the area where the IDF was capturing terrorists. I don't know if the IDF intentionally targeted her like some claim, but there is at least some plausible deniability that Israel has that India doesn't.
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- bonbonsofa 3y agoThere's a pretty big difference between a soldier during the heat of a firefight shooting someone that (at a distance) they might genuinely perceive as a threat vs a targeted assassination of a political enemy while they eat dinner. The Mossad is certainly capable of killing people in more low profile ways. There's no reason to believe this was ordered at a high level. Most likely, it was an individual soldier's fault. And the fact that she had press gear on is really not the kind of guarantee one might hope. Here's a video of a "medic" grabbing a downed Hamas fighter's AK47 to give it to another fighter so they can use it to try to kill IDF soldiers: https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17rff07/west_bank_medic_takes_weapon_from_downed_militant/ https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17rff07/west...
- tyingq 3y agoEven the IDF isn't trying to say anything like that. They say it was "accidental". Though there's lots of convincing analysis it was very deliberate. Where the shooter would have been shooting right at 2 people, nobody else in their sights, with blue vests/helmets and "PRESS" labels.
- bonbonsofa 3y agoThat's actually very much what I'm saying. It may have been accidental in the sense that it was not the deliberate plan of anyone, but happened during combat, due to a soldier's bad/unethical judgement call.
- jampekka 3y agoHow about these? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinatio...
- bonbonsofa 3y agoWhat about them? Almost all of those are examples of the IDF targeting enemy militants who are actively involved in military operations against Israel, many of which have murders innocent civilians.
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