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If it's true, and if it really happened, it would have dramatic consequences for US-India relations. And there are at least 2 countries that would like to see t

If it's true, and if it really happened, it would have dramatic consequences for US-India relations. And there are at least 2 countries that would like to see that happen.

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
Who are the two countries?
- dmix 3y ago
  Pakistan and China, or maybe Russia and China
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jprd 3y ago
India did the exact same thing in Canada not long ago. Brazen and not that great of an idea.
- dmix 3y ago
  They seemed to have called Canada’s poker hand successfully knowing no one takes Canada’s leadership seriously anymore. Probably the most unserious leadership you’d want in a global conflict requiring being tough and assertive. Unlike US<>Canada the Sikh killing was predated by a long series of bad looks by Canada re: India. They knew the deal. Canada hasn’t even risked releasing any evidence months later. The issue seems DOA.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > seemed to have called Canada’s poker hand…issue seems DOA The investigation is progressing at a normal pace. It’s incorrect to suggest it’s DOA. It also had a multibillion-dollar impact on multiple Indian investments, so to suggest it had no consequences is also wrong. (On a fundamental level, the killings Streisand effected the Khalistan cause. I’m of Indian descent and had not heard of Operation Blue Star [1].) > Canada hasn’t even risked releasing any evidence If the intel was American SIGINT, Ottawa wouldn’t have the authority to unilaterally release it. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blue_Star https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blue_Star
    - dmix 3y ago
      > the intel was American SIGINT, Ottawa wouldn’t have the authority to unilaterally release it. They havent released any details of how they knew, we learned it was US from journalism. If they violated our sovereignty we have a right to know the details. The Indian gov can figure out they were wiretapped already. If ever there was grounds for releasing sensitive Intel this was it. When the Saudis killed that journalist it was revealed that Turkey had microphones inside their embassy. This is not some huge deal to reveal espionage of other agencies when the stakes are so high. I’m not sure what sort of evidence you think they’ll suddenly discover 6 months later which justifies not explaining the details which cause them to make the accusation in the first place. I don’t get how they can’t tell the public what the Indian gov specifically did but it was worth imposing the consequences of making the accusations public?
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > we have a right to know the details We do. But not immediately. > Indian gov can figure out they were wiretapped already But not how. Given how shadily they’re behaving, I wouldn’t want to declassify sources and methods too hastily either. If the rewards from keeping those methods live outweigh the gains from disclosure, that’s a valid foreign policy call. > but it was worth imposing the consequences of making the accusations public From all accounts, it going public was an accident. Ottawa was forced by the media getting a whiff of it. Washington made grunts and groans when necessary.
    - shri_krishna 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - hef19898 3y ago
        Same as for the Israel-Gaza war, or any conflict whatsoever, one bad deed do not justify other bad deeds.
        shri_krishna 3y ago
  - llm_nerd 3y ago
    This is such a partisan take: It's okay to not like the Trudeau government, but to distort your worldview based upon it is not productive. What "evidence" you think Canada must release to satisfy your zeal? Canada isn't appealing to some world hot take court for justice. And I have no idea what Canada's purported "poker hand" was. The government revealed an incident when the media discovered it and it continues at its normal pace behind the scenes. India had an apocalyptic, absurdly over the top fit and Canada yawned. India has literally zero sway over Canada so it was all rather ridiculous. And this US revelation clearly springs from exactly the same well (via exactly the same intelligence sharing). I mean, when the Canada revelation happened the US leaked that they were investigating something and has repeatedly announced their concern about this. If anything the outsized Indian reaction to Canada was precisely because they thought they could preempt this from the US.
    - twisteriffic 3y ago
      > This is such a partisan take: It's okay to not like the Trudeau government, but to distort your worldview based upon it is not productive. Thank you for saying this. It's nice to know there are still reasonable people here.
    - dmix 3y ago
      Oh come on India bullied Canada and got away with it. Maybe there is some “justice” coming but all that’s happened is Canada showed it was too scared to take any risk at all, had a soft as hell muted response by a leader who clearly isn’t respected enough to be taken seriously to sell consequences. His behaviour before this incident set this up for failure too, it’s a long built up pattern where Canada is losing its position as a diplomatic power player and this just shows our leadership as a global moral authority is basically been nullified. This is diplomatic and precedent setting as much as it’s a pursuit of some specific criminal justice. Obsessing about not disrupting the the economic/diplomatic/immigration status quo, not offending anybody even when they seriously violate your sovereignty, and just generally playing nice guy is not how you deal with this sort of situation.
      - stefan_ 3y ago
turtlesdown11 3y ago
what evidence do you have that it's not "true, and if it really happened" except to spread FUD? FT is a very reputable paper.

If it's true, and if it really happened, it would have dramatic consequences for US-India relations. And there are at least 2 countries that would like to see that happen.

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago

Who are the two countries?

dmix 3y ago
Pakistan and China, or maybe Russia and China
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]

jprd 3y ago

India did the exact same thing in Canada not long ago. Brazen and not that great of an idea.

dmix 3y ago
They seemed to have called Canada’s poker hand successfully knowing no one takes Canada’s leadership seriously anymore. Probably the most unserious leadership you’d want in a global conflict requiring being tough and assertive. Unlike US<>Canada the Sikh killing was predated by a long series of bad looks by Canada re: India. They knew the deal. Canada hasn’t even risked releasing any evidence months later. The issue seems DOA.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > seemed to have called Canada’s poker hand…issue seems DOA The investigation is progressing at a normal pace. It’s incorrect to suggest it’s DOA. It also had a multibillion-dollar impact on multiple Indian investments, so to suggest it had no consequences is also wrong. (On a fundamental level, the killings Streisand effected the Khalistan cause. I’m of Indian descent and had not heard of Operation Blue Star [1].) > Canada hasn’t even risked releasing any evidence If the intel was American SIGINT, Ottawa wouldn’t have the authority to unilaterally release it. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blue_Star https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blue_Star
  - dmix 3y ago
    > the intel was American SIGINT, Ottawa wouldn’t have the authority to unilaterally release it. They havent released any details of how they knew, we learned it was US from journalism. If they violated our sovereignty we have a right to know the details. The Indian gov can figure out they were wiretapped already. If ever there was grounds for releasing sensitive Intel this was it. When the Saudis killed that journalist it was revealed that Turkey had microphones inside their embassy. This is not some huge deal to reveal espionage of other agencies when the stakes are so high. I’m not sure what sort of evidence you think they’ll suddenly discover 6 months later which justifies not explaining the details which cause them to make the accusation in the first place. I don’t get how they can’t tell the public what the Indian gov specifically did but it was worth imposing the consequences of making the accusations public?
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > we have a right to know the details We do. But not immediately. > Indian gov can figure out they were wiretapped already But not how. Given how shadily they’re behaving, I wouldn’t want to declassify sources and methods too hastily either. If the rewards from keeping those methods live outweigh the gains from disclosure, that’s a valid foreign policy call. > but it was worth imposing the consequences of making the accusations public From all accounts, it going public was an accident. Ottawa was forced by the media getting a whiff of it. Washington made grunts and groans when necessary.
  - shri_krishna 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Same as for the Israel-Gaza war, or any conflict whatsoever, one bad deed do not justify other bad deeds.
      - shri_krishna 3y ago
- llm_nerd 3y ago
  This is such a partisan take: It's okay to not like the Trudeau government, but to distort your worldview based upon it is not productive. What "evidence" you think Canada must release to satisfy your zeal? Canada isn't appealing to some world hot take court for justice. And I have no idea what Canada's purported "poker hand" was. The government revealed an incident when the media discovered it and it continues at its normal pace behind the scenes. India had an apocalyptic, absurdly over the top fit and Canada yawned. India has literally zero sway over Canada so it was all rather ridiculous. And this US revelation clearly springs from exactly the same well (via exactly the same intelligence sharing). I mean, when the Canada revelation happened the US leaked that they were investigating something and has repeatedly announced their concern about this. If anything the outsized Indian reaction to Canada was precisely because they thought they could preempt this from the US.
  - twisteriffic 3y ago
    > This is such a partisan take: It's okay to not like the Trudeau government, but to distort your worldview based upon it is not productive. Thank you for saying this. It's nice to know there are still reasonable people here.
  - dmix 3y ago
    Oh come on India bullied Canada and got away with it. Maybe there is some “justice” coming but all that’s happened is Canada showed it was too scared to take any risk at all, had a soft as hell muted response by a leader who clearly isn’t respected enough to be taken seriously to sell consequences. His behaviour before this incident set this up for failure too, it’s a long built up pattern where Canada is losing its position as a diplomatic power player and this just shows our leadership as a global moral authority is basically been nullified. This is diplomatic and precedent setting as much as it’s a pursuit of some specific criminal justice. Obsessing about not disrupting the the economic/diplomatic/immigration status quo, not offending anybody even when they seriously violate your sovereignty, and just generally playing nice guy is not how you deal with this sort of situation.
    - stefan_ 3y ago

turtlesdown11 3y ago

what evidence do you have that it's not "true, and if it really happened" except to spread FUD? FT is a very reputable paper.