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This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. I agree that it is a problem that both systems make you jump through hoops to use the

This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. I agree that it is a problem that both systems make you jump through hoops to use them without doing that, but it doesn't seem to elicit the same emotions that come from it being Microsoft. They're both trillion dollar companies that only care about keeping you in their walled garden.

rad_gruchalski 3y ago
> This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. There's no requirement to create an apple account.
- johnbellone 3y ago
  There isn't a requirement to create a Microsoft account, either.
  - beebeepka 3y ago
    Indeed there isn't. I bought an OEM license for gaming and decided to unplug my ethernet just in case. Wasn't asked to create an account. Not sure if this is the only way to avoid it short of installing one of those cool corporate builds. I read things will improve next year thanks to the EU, though: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/europeans-can-soon-strip-bing-edge-other-microsoft-cruft-from-windows-11/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/europeans-can-soon-s...
  - MenhirMike 3y ago
    Actually, Windows 11 Home does require one. And I don't mean "You can just be offline" or "Just click use Domain Account", but actually "Without Internet and a Microsoft Account, you cannot continue". Maybe someone found a script/custom installation image, but the previous posters point about it being required stands for that one SKU at least. (I hope that there's a EU version that one can acquire in the future that gets around that, but I don't know if the Account requirement falls under the current legislation.)
  - underseacables 3y ago
    It varies apparently. HP laptops have no option for local account as of four months ago. It's a hard stop.
- mmcnl 3y ago
  The same goes for the Microsoft account. That's the whole point. I have been happily running Windows without a Microsoft accounts for years. You can just skip the step during installation.
geodel 3y ago
As both Windows/Mac user Windows seems way more aggressive with have this online account. I don't know its got that kind of hectoring tone. Well you've been stalling for 2 months and now its time to have login created.
- bitwize 3y ago
  "Windows is a service and updates are part of that service. So if you could reboot to apply updates, say, now, that would be terrific."

rad_gruchalski 3y ago

> This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. There's no requirement to create an apple account.

johnbellone 3y ago
There isn't a requirement to create a Microsoft account, either.
- beebeepka 3y ago
  Indeed there isn't. I bought an OEM license for gaming and decided to unplug my ethernet just in case. Wasn't asked to create an account. Not sure if this is the only way to avoid it short of installing one of those cool corporate builds. I read things will improve next year thanks to the EU, though: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/europeans-can-soon-strip-bing-edge-other-microsoft-cruft-from-windows-11/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/europeans-can-soon-s...
- MenhirMike 3y ago
  Actually, Windows 11 Home does require one. And I don't mean "You can just be offline" or "Just click use Domain Account", but actually "Without Internet and a Microsoft Account, you cannot continue". Maybe someone found a script/custom installation image, but the previous posters point about it being required stands for that one SKU at least. (I hope that there's a EU version that one can acquire in the future that gets around that, but I don't know if the Account requirement falls under the current legislation.)
- underseacables 3y ago
  It varies apparently. HP laptops have no option for local account as of four months ago. It's a hard stop.
mmcnl 3y ago
The same goes for the Microsoft account. That's the whole point. I have been happily running Windows without a Microsoft accounts for years. You can just skip the step during installation.

geodel 3y ago

As both Windows/Mac user Windows seems way more aggressive with have this online account. I don't know its got that kind of hectoring tone. Well you've been stalling for 2 months and now its time to have login created.

bitwize 3y ago
"Windows is a service and updates are part of that service. So if you could reboot to apply updates, say, now, that would be terrific."