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It's oh so weird the article does not mention any of these though... - https://twitter.com/phuckfilosophy/status/1635704398939832321 https://twitter.com/phuckf

It's oh so weird the article does not mention any of these though... - https://twitter.com/phuckfilosophy/status/1635704398939832321 https://twitter.com/phuckfilosophy/status/163570439893983232... (SA's sister - also have a look at her recent posts) - Also: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman-s-sister-annie-altman-claims-sam-has-severely https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman... (utterly distressing) - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727096607752282485 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727096607752282485 (check the comment with snapshots of the letter - "strangely" that Gist was deleted)

whalesalad 3y ago
nitter link https://nitter.net/ajayjuneja/status/1727117041977766182#m https://nitter.net/ajayjuneja/status/1727117041977766182#m
twic 3y ago
Sounds like Roko's Basilisk knows where he lives.
smegsicle 3y ago
that can't be true- why would sam altman and the rest of their family deny annie altman's inheritance? it's not like they need the money themselves either this annie character is making stuff up, or the whole rest of her family are some kind of comic book villains
- sudosysgen 3y ago
  I haven't read enough into the story to make up an opinion. However, purely based on what you're saying, that's completely normal abuser behaviour. You wouldn't be denying the inheritance to enrich yourself, but rather to prevent someone from becoming economically empowered and reducing your power over them. It's a very common tactic.
- subpixel 3y ago
  While it’s true that all unhappy families are unhappy in their own way, this sort of seemingly illogical vindictiveness is exceedingly common.
- jstarfish 3y ago
  > why would sam altman and the rest of their family deny annie altman's inheritance? [...] either this annie character is making stuff up, or the whole rest of her family are some kind of comic book villains She's done something to alienate herself from the family. Usual reason is drugs, but given that she's publicly braying about being molested I'd bet that she's told similar stories about other family members, internally, prior to this. (ed: she also made the same allegations against her other brother too. Damn I'm good.) Look at the number of people ascribing manipulative behavior to Sammy. This sort of thing runs in families. Or look at the verbiage of the allegation itself: > I’m not four years old with a 13 year old “brother” climbing into my bed non-consensually anymore. (You’re welcome for helping you figure out your sexuality.) I’ve finally accepted that you’ve always been and always will be more scared of me than I’ve been of you. Nowhere in there does she actually say he did anything more than get in bed with her. She just implies it, and our minds are filling in the rest, giving her plausible deniability against making such a claim. It's fuckary. (edit2) Even better, from https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman-s-sister-annie-altman-claims-sam-has-severely https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman...: > "Annie had (and still was having?) extremely intense, nearly all-day PTSD flashbacks of the sexual assault she experienced in her childhood from Sam Altman, plus other forms of assault from all members of her nuclear family (except her Dad, I think.)" Everyone wants a piece of Little Annie Altman, it seems. Histrionic personality disorder (and PTSD!) is treated with...Zoloft, dispensing of which was also considered "abuse" in her claims. > Our Dad’s ashes being turned into diamonds (not his wishes) and that being offered to me instead of money for rent and groceries and physical therapy says more about me? lol. The Altmans know how to push the buttons of someone with a spending problem.
- mostin 3y ago
  I could imagine that if they think she's behaving erratically, and would spend the money on falling apart even more, then they don't think it's right to give it to her. For example if they know she has a drug problem and would put herself in an early grave if she received millions of dollars (just theorizing, I don't know anything about their situation).
- whatyesaid 3y ago
  I don't know much about her but just the fact she does OnlyFans is enough to cut you out of most families. The type of person who actually goes through with that would either be in big financial need or a general life philosophy most people in society disagree with
nabakin 3y ago
Fyi the gist was a copy of that letter originally posted to board.net. It was created by a user here on HN when the board.net link first came out and its servers subsequently crashed from the HN hug of death.
dwaltrip 3y ago
Is there any major news reporting on the Annie Altman stuff? That looks like front page material to me.
- johnnyworker 3y ago
  from the second link: > Besides Elizabeth Weil's nymag article (here), there has been virtually zero (mainstream) media coverage of the extremely serious claims that Annie has consistently made many, many times against Sam Altman over the past 4 years.
charred_patina 3y ago
He has always creeped me out. The way pg talks about him is meant to be an endorsement, but it makes Sam seem like a Svengali whose main quality is the ability to manipulate and get what he wants.
lordfrito 3y ago
Also he does seem to have "crazy eyes" [1].... Yeah it's not entirely scientific but a lot of manipulative exec types have them. Elizabeth Holmes comes to mind... [1] https://www.insider.com/you-can-spot-psychopaths-by-looking-at-their-eyes-new-research-suggests-2018-12 https://www.insider.com/you-can-spot-psychopaths-by-looking-...
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpaku https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpaku > According to Chinese/Japanese medical [...] when the upper sclera is visible it is said to be an indication of mental imbalance in people such as psychotics, murderers, and anyone rageful. In either condition, it is believed that these people attract accidents and violence. It might not be scientific but people with this look certainly do freak me out. (FWIW, I haven't seen any images of Sam with these eyes.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Applewhite#/media/File:Marshall_Applewhite.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Applewhite#/media/Fil...
  - aifooh7Keew6xoo 3y ago
    I find the omission of the term "face reading" from the punch line "medical face reading" to be a curious editorial choice
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      My intention was to chop out everything about the "whites below the eyes" version of it, because it's the "whites above the eyes" variant that is relevant to the discussion above. This kind of analysis is not medical at all, it's "traditional medicine". If "traditional medicine" were real medicine, it wouldn't be called traditional. To call something "Chinese/Japanese medicine" amounts to the same, not real medicine. If "Chinese/Japanese medicine" were real medicine, it would just be called medicine. Also I said after that quote that it's not scientific, but it nevertheless seems true. That's my editorial take.
- civilitty 3y ago
cactusplant7374 3y ago
Elon is incredibly jealous of Sam. That is why he posted the gist.
greyface- 3y ago
> "strangely" that Gist was deleted The Gist was posted by HN user xena and deleted after Elon's tweet led to a deluge of transphobic comments being left on it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38371837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38371837
rurp 3y ago
Wow, that's some incredibly damning stuff, especially from his own sister. I'm a bit surprised to have never heard about any of this before, but I guess the kind of influence Sam has can be pretty effective.
Rastonbury 3y ago
WaPo is a decent outlet, which means they would verify through multiple sources before posting something that could smear someone. They very likely know about it but if the story is not corroborated by anyone else or public records, the writers/editors would never publish

whalesalad 3y ago

nitter link https://nitter.net/ajayjuneja/status/1727117041977766182#m https://nitter.net/ajayjuneja/status/1727117041977766182#m

twic 3y ago

Sounds like Roko's Basilisk knows where he lives.

smegsicle 3y ago

that can't be true- why would sam altman and the rest of their family deny annie altman's inheritance? it's not like they need the money themselves either this annie character is making stuff up, or the whole rest of her family are some kind of comic book villains

sudosysgen 3y ago
I haven't read enough into the story to make up an opinion. However, purely based on what you're saying, that's completely normal abuser behaviour. You wouldn't be denying the inheritance to enrich yourself, but rather to prevent someone from becoming economically empowered and reducing your power over them. It's a very common tactic.
subpixel 3y ago
While it’s true that all unhappy families are unhappy in their own way, this sort of seemingly illogical vindictiveness is exceedingly common.
jstarfish 3y ago
> why would sam altman and the rest of their family deny annie altman's inheritance? [...] either this annie character is making stuff up, or the whole rest of her family are some kind of comic book villains She's done something to alienate herself from the family. Usual reason is drugs, but given that she's publicly braying about being molested I'd bet that she's told similar stories about other family members, internally, prior to this. (ed: she also made the same allegations against her other brother too. Damn I'm good.) Look at the number of people ascribing manipulative behavior to Sammy. This sort of thing runs in families. Or look at the verbiage of the allegation itself: > I’m not four years old with a 13 year old “brother” climbing into my bed non-consensually anymore. (You’re welcome for helping you figure out your sexuality.) I’ve finally accepted that you’ve always been and always will be more scared of me than I’ve been of you. Nowhere in there does she actually say he did anything more than get in bed with her. She just implies it, and our minds are filling in the rest, giving her plausible deniability against making such a claim. It's fuckary. (edit2) Even better, from https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman-s-sister-annie-altman-claims-sam-has-severely https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman...: > "Annie had (and still was having?) extremely intense, nearly all-day PTSD flashbacks of the sexual assault she experienced in her childhood from Sam Altman, plus other forms of assault from all members of her nuclear family (except her Dad, I think.)" Everyone wants a piece of Little Annie Altman, it seems. Histrionic personality disorder (and PTSD!) is treated with...Zoloft, dispensing of which was also considered "abuse" in her claims. > Our Dad’s ashes being turned into diamonds (not his wishes) and that being offered to me instead of money for rent and groceries and physical therapy says more about me? lol. The Altmans know how to push the buttons of someone with a spending problem.
mostin 3y ago
I could imagine that if they think she's behaving erratically, and would spend the money on falling apart even more, then they don't think it's right to give it to her. For example if they know she has a drug problem and would put herself in an early grave if she received millions of dollars (just theorizing, I don't know anything about their situation).
whatyesaid 3y ago
I don't know much about her but just the fact she does OnlyFans is enough to cut you out of most families. The type of person who actually goes through with that would either be in big financial need or a general life philosophy most people in society disagree with

nabakin 3y ago

Fyi the gist was a copy of that letter originally posted to board.net. It was created by a user here on HN when the board.net link first came out and its servers subsequently crashed from the HN hug of death.

dwaltrip 3y ago

Is there any major news reporting on the Annie Altman stuff? That looks like front page material to me.

johnnyworker 3y ago
from the second link: > Besides Elizabeth Weil's nymag article (here), there has been virtually zero (mainstream) media coverage of the extremely serious claims that Annie has consistently made many, many times against Sam Altman over the past 4 years.

charred_patina 3y ago

He has always creeped me out. The way pg talks about him is meant to be an endorsement, but it makes Sam seem like a Svengali whose main quality is the ability to manipulate and get what he wants.

lordfrito 3y ago

Also he does seem to have "crazy eyes" [1].... Yeah it's not entirely scientific but a lot of manipulative exec types have them. Elizabeth Holmes comes to mind... [1] https://www.insider.com/you-can-spot-psychopaths-by-looking-at-their-eyes-new-research-suggests-2018-12 https://www.insider.com/you-can-spot-psychopaths-by-looking-...

mcpackieh 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpaku https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpaku > According to Chinese/Japanese medical [...] when the upper sclera is visible it is said to be an indication of mental imbalance in people such as psychotics, murderers, and anyone rageful. In either condition, it is believed that these people attract accidents and violence. It might not be scientific but people with this look certainly do freak me out. (FWIW, I haven't seen any images of Sam with these eyes.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Applewhite#/media/File:Marshall_Applewhite.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Applewhite#/media/Fil...
- aifooh7Keew6xoo 3y ago
  I find the omission of the term "face reading" from the punch line "medical face reading" to be a curious editorial choice
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    My intention was to chop out everything about the "whites below the eyes" version of it, because it's the "whites above the eyes" variant that is relevant to the discussion above. This kind of analysis is not medical at all, it's "traditional medicine". If "traditional medicine" were real medicine, it wouldn't be called traditional. To call something "Chinese/Japanese medicine" amounts to the same, not real medicine. If "Chinese/Japanese medicine" were real medicine, it would just be called medicine. Also I said after that quote that it's not scientific, but it nevertheless seems true. That's my editorial take.
civilitty 3y ago

cactusplant7374 3y ago

Elon is incredibly jealous of Sam. That is why he posted the gist.

greyface- 3y ago

> "strangely" that Gist was deleted The Gist was posted by HN user xena and deleted after Elon's tweet led to a deluge of transphobic comments being left on it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38371837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38371837

rurp 3y ago

Wow, that's some incredibly damning stuff, especially from his own sister. I'm a bit surprised to have never heard about any of this before, but I guess the kind of influence Sam has can be pretty effective.

Rastonbury 3y ago

WaPo is a decent outlet, which means they would verify through multiple sources before posting something that could smear someone. They very likely know about it but if the story is not corroborated by anyone else or public records, the writers/editors would never publish