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If you want to be a doomer, you don't need agi, just autonomous weapons, which ML can definitely help build.

kjkjadksj 3y ago
You don’t even need ML for that plus it already exists, Soviets had Dead Hand decades ago, an autonomous weapon system capable of ending the world.
- Abekkus 3y ago
  Autononous weapons capable of ending the world are old, yes. Autonomous weapons capable of securing territory and resources, and personnel, that's on the way.
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Interesting. Do you have any specific program heads-up about this? I'm curious to read more. :)
    - kjkjadksj 3y ago
      What might be interesting to think about is the prevalence of human controlled drones in warfare today, in various environments and climates as we currently speak. Right now they require a human to operate and identify targets or perform defensive maneuvering. All of this videography is undoubtedly being logged and used for training more autonomously controlled drones. Eventually an operator would just deploy a swarm at a sector akin to flagging it for an air strike, and drones would eliminate anyone or anything of interest there.
    - rvba 3y ago
      Sounds like Terminator 2
keepamovin 3y ago
Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but...So any counterpoint to your AGI view is irrational pessimism? I'm not bein doomer, this is just what I see going forward. I think AGI can be positive, but it depends vastly how we configure that. And this is not the path that I see is best. That's it. I get if you're a 100% AGI optimist and see any dissent to that as out of touch, but it's a leeetl disrespectfully reductive to try to frame other people's views that way, don't ya think?
- Abekkus 3y ago
  “DisRespect and insult” is a strange take on strategic advice. And While I’m already probably on a few lists, I don’t feel safe spelling it all out
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    I didn't say "insult", but "doomer" is not strategic advice, right? That's what I meant. "Doomer" is a bad thing, yeah? You didn't have to say that. Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but it just seems like you were being disrespectful and reductive of other people's views, as I said.
    - Abekkus 3y ago
      "Doomer" is a description of someone who is predicting doom, it doesn't have to be dismissive. Barring some miracles, I'm a "doomer".

You don’t even need ML for that plus it already exists, Soviets had Dead Hand decades ago, an autonomous weapon system capable of ending the world.

Abekkus 3y ago
Autononous weapons capable of ending the world are old, yes. Autonomous weapons capable of securing territory and resources, and personnel, that's on the way.
- keepamovin 3y ago
  Interesting. Do you have any specific program heads-up about this? I'm curious to read more. :)
  - kjkjadksj 3y ago
    What might be interesting to think about is the prevalence of human controlled drones in warfare today, in various environments and climates as we currently speak. Right now they require a human to operate and identify targets or perform defensive maneuvering. All of this videography is undoubtedly being logged and used for training more autonomously controlled drones. Eventually an operator would just deploy a swarm at a sector akin to flagging it for an air strike, and drones would eliminate anyone or anything of interest there.
  - rvba 3y ago
    Sounds like Terminator 2

keepamovin 3y ago

Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but...So any counterpoint to your AGI view is irrational pessimism? I'm not bein doomer, this is just what I see going forward. I think AGI can be positive, but it depends vastly how we configure that. And this is not the path that I see is best. That's it. I get if you're a 100% AGI optimist and see any dissent to that as out of touch, but it's a leeetl disrespectfully reductive to try to frame other people's views that way, don't ya think?

Abekkus 3y ago
“DisRespect and insult” is a strange take on strategic advice. And While I’m already probably on a few lists, I don’t feel safe spelling it all out
- keepamovin 3y ago
  I didn't say "insult", but "doomer" is not strategic advice, right? That's what I meant. "Doomer" is a bad thing, yeah? You didn't have to say that. Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but it just seems like you were being disrespectful and reductive of other people's views, as I said.
  - Abekkus 3y ago
    "Doomer" is a description of someone who is predicting doom, it doesn't have to be dismissive. Barring some miracles, I'm a "doomer".