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No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it

by okr 3y ago

No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it is always updating something and asks me to reboot. And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? So, i guess, we both have out difficulties. Like always.

eldaisfish 3y ago
i really dislike this line of reasoning. Windows has a much larger installed base so finding support and solutions are pretty easy. Whether that is a video, a blog or a forum, you can always find someone with the same problem. No, windows nagging you to register is not in the same ballpark as your audio not working or your video resolution changing with multiple monitors. No, windows updates adding or removing features are not equivalent to the problems linux has, many of which are showstoppers. You're trying to be snarky and this is one reason why so many regular Joes are reluctant to adopt linux. you never know when you will need the terminal and when you will encounter an unhelpful response like this.
- okr 3y ago
  So serious. I find the linux community indeed very resourceful. And the ones for windows, after you have clicked thousands of banners away, that tell you the workaround for avoiding the registering after a long text of nothing, i find them resourceful too. My point was, that it is always difficult to enter a new domain. So it is a shared pain.
  - eldaisfish 3y ago
    My limited point here is that linux has a lot of problems that are showstoppers. You sometimes cannot do what you want to do. The average person cares about about usability first. Visually, linux is excellent and very useable. The problem is, should things go wrong, the level of technical skill needed to use community resources is relatively high.
    - ffgjgf1 3y ago
      > Visually, linux is excellent and very useable. On a superficial level maybe. But generally it’s still very unpolished, inconsistent and has poor UX design. Of course it’s matter of taste. Not sure why your comment is being downvoted though? I find it hard to imagine how could anyone disagree with it from the perspective of an “average” computer user.
      - deafpolygon 3y ago
        > But generally it’s still very unpolished, inconsistent and has poor UX design. Came here to say that. If you stick to the 2 or 3 desktop apps that they offer and do everything else in a terminal, then no worries. But the minute you try to get things done, beyond just the terminal - it comes apart.
  - ffgjgf1 3y ago
    >I find the linux community indeed very resourceful I do to. As a “power user”, however it feels that for people who don’t know how/fear/don’t want to use the command line and don’t know how to read documentation accomplishing even basic stuff on Linux would be a struggle.
  - bitwize 3y ago
    The old joke goes, though, that you have to prompt-engineer the Linux community to get a useful response, e.g., "Linux sucks because I can't do X" instead of "How do I do X?"
- RealStickman_ 3y ago
  I tried searching for workarounds of network shares causing explorer freezes when no connection can be made. The only "solution" I found was sfc /scannow
- soupbowl 3y ago
  I don't disagree with you but have you ever had to google a windows issue in recent history? You get 90 links of 'Microsoft experts' that ask you to run "sfc /scannow" or "chdsk". None of them having a clue what they are talking about. I think it is usually easier to fix windows if you have 'audio not working' but windows 10+ has started to have a lot of non trivial issues and there are no simple google fixes. I have had serious problems as an IT worker with EVERY large windows update in the last 3 years. On the other side of things, I have seen linux desktop issues that are a nightmare to figure out, including audio not working after a recent update.
  - spogbiper 3y ago
    > You get 90 links of 'Microsoft experts' that ask you to run "sfc /scannow" or "chdsk". adding the word "reddit" to the search usually improves the results significantly
okl 3y ago
Maybe this tool can help you disable some of those things: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
underseacables 3y ago
Windows 11 should be classified as a hate crime.. Just the fact that I'm deceitfully "required" to create a Microsoft just to use the system is an abomination. On some systems, I've seen that there is a way to bypass that account creation, and just have a local account, but it was so hidden and deceitful that it was… emotional..
- johnbellone 3y ago
  This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. I agree that it is a problem that both systems make you jump through hoops to use them without doing that, but it doesn't seem to elicit the same emotions that come from it being Microsoft. They're both trillion dollar companies that only care about keeping you in their walled garden.
  - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
    > This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. There's no requirement to create an apple account.
    - johnbellone 3y ago
      There isn't a requirement to create a Microsoft account, either.
      - beebeepka 3y ago
        Indeed there isn't. I bought an OEM license for gaming and decided to unplug my ethernet just in case. Wasn't asked to create an account. Not sure if this is the only way to avoid it short of installing one of those cool corporate builds. I read things will improve next year thanks to the EU, though: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/europeans-can-soon-strip-bing-edge-other-microsoft-cruft-from-windows-11/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/europeans-can-soon-s...
      - MenhirMike 3y ago
CuriousCosmic 3y ago
> And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? You actually can, it's just they don't expose most of it to the user. However people have built tools [1] that give you a pretty UI to manage those more complex configs and apply them to windows. Bonus points in that you can use all the old windows UI elements from previous versions of windows and mix and match them as you choose. Honestly I couldn't tolerate Windows 11 without something like ExplorerPatcher. 1. https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher
- arrty88 3y ago
  be careful. i used this for a while, but then windows updated and ended up bricking my normal user account. had to go into safemode and figure out the incantations to uninstall and resolve. all during a high priority time for needing my computer of course.
  - CuriousCosmic 3y ago
    Yeah I'm not sure how long ago you used it but ExplorerPatcher nowadays is setup so that it disables itself if explorer crashes more than like twice in a row so that you can debug the issue. Normally it's just a matter of fetching the new symbols (which happens automatically) and occasionally updating. Afterwards you can relaunch EP... or you can just leave it disabled if you are busy.
- deleted 3y ago
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FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? IDK, because the real question here is why can't YOU do it? Because that's definitely possible, anyone can do it with a few clicks from the GUI, there's nothing stopping you from doing that. Pretty sure my 5 year old nephew can figure out how to get to Right click -> Taskbar setting, where stuff can be removed from the taskbar. There are plenty of faults with Win11, but the fact that you haven't managed this, is more an issue on your side ("I tried nothing and it doesn't work") rather than with the product in question. Excuse the bluntness but I'm tired of seeing all the FUD spread on HN and I need to correct it.
- okr 3y ago
  How do i remove teams or the stupid weather badge from the task bar? I can remove explorer and edge with a right-click, just those two i can not. It is inconsistent. That it is not impossible with a few more clicks and that i have to know, where to find it, well, duh.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >How do i remove teams or the stupid weather badge from the task bar? In the time you have written this rant/question here you could have typed it instead in Google, Copilot or ChatGPT and have gotten your answer already instead of falsely complaining that "its impossible to remove something" when it's not. Yes, some things will always be unintuitive to the user that's new to any OS, but that's the issue with any other OS including MacOS and Linux distros when you're brand new to them and use it for the first time. There's always gonna be a learning curve and you'll need to Google a bit to figure some stuff out in the beginning regardless of your OS of choice, but that's a long way from saying "it cannot be done" when the main issue is you can't be bothered to Google something basic. Excuse the bluntness here in my comments, but how do people manage to get into highly paid technical careers while not being able to Google "how to remove X from Windows taskbar?".
  - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
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libraryatnight 3y ago
I've been able to disable most of the things I do not like on win11 pro, so far, but if it weren't for how much I use Ableton I would be all in on Linux at this point. If anybody knows anyone at Ableton, please tell them to do a Linux edition :P
- bitwize 3y ago
  Or at least check that it works on Wine. I find these days that when Windows programs work on Wine they work very, very well.
  - beebeepka 3y ago
    Hah, a friend of mine was swearing it wouldn't work. How's performance and latency?
mmcnl 3y ago
I honestly don't understand how macOS and Linux are better with respect to OS updates. With Ubuntu I always have to update and reboot, almost weekly. And with macOS if there's an update, you can at least schedule it, but not without this big bright red notification badge that's always in your face and can't be dismissed.

by okr 3y ago

eldaisfish 3y ago

i really dislike this line of reasoning. Windows has a much larger installed base so finding support and solutions are pretty easy. Whether that is a video, a blog or a forum, you can always find someone with the same problem. No, windows nagging you to register is not in the same ballpark as your audio not working or your video resolution changing with multiple monitors. No, windows updates adding or removing features are not equivalent to the problems linux has, many of which are showstoppers. You're trying to be snarky and this is one reason why so many regular Joes are reluctant to adopt linux. you never know when you will need the terminal and when you will encounter an unhelpful response like this.

okr 3y ago
So serious. I find the linux community indeed very resourceful. And the ones for windows, after you have clicked thousands of banners away, that tell you the workaround for avoiding the registering after a long text of nothing, i find them resourceful too. My point was, that it is always difficult to enter a new domain. So it is a shared pain.
- eldaisfish 3y ago
  My limited point here is that linux has a lot of problems that are showstoppers. You sometimes cannot do what you want to do. The average person cares about about usability first. Visually, linux is excellent and very useable. The problem is, should things go wrong, the level of technical skill needed to use community resources is relatively high.
  - ffgjgf1 3y ago
    > Visually, linux is excellent and very useable. On a superficial level maybe. But generally it’s still very unpolished, inconsistent and has poor UX design. Of course it’s matter of taste. Not sure why your comment is being downvoted though? I find it hard to imagine how could anyone disagree with it from the perspective of an “average” computer user.
    - deafpolygon 3y ago
      > But generally it’s still very unpolished, inconsistent and has poor UX design. Came here to say that. If you stick to the 2 or 3 desktop apps that they offer and do everything else in a terminal, then no worries. But the minute you try to get things done, beyond just the terminal - it comes apart.
- ffgjgf1 3y ago
  >I find the linux community indeed very resourceful I do to. As a “power user”, however it feels that for people who don’t know how/fear/don’t want to use the command line and don’t know how to read documentation accomplishing even basic stuff on Linux would be a struggle.
- bitwize 3y ago
  The old joke goes, though, that you have to prompt-engineer the Linux community to get a useful response, e.g., "Linux sucks because I can't do X" instead of "How do I do X?"
RealStickman_ 3y ago
I tried searching for workarounds of network shares causing explorer freezes when no connection can be made. The only "solution" I found was sfc /scannow
soupbowl 3y ago
I don't disagree with you but have you ever had to google a windows issue in recent history? You get 90 links of 'Microsoft experts' that ask you to run "sfc /scannow" or "chdsk". None of them having a clue what they are talking about. I think it is usually easier to fix windows if you have 'audio not working' but windows 10+ has started to have a lot of non trivial issues and there are no simple google fixes. I have had serious problems as an IT worker with EVERY large windows update in the last 3 years. On the other side of things, I have seen linux desktop issues that are a nightmare to figure out, including audio not working after a recent update.
- spogbiper 3y ago
  > You get 90 links of 'Microsoft experts' that ask you to run "sfc /scannow" or "chdsk". adding the word "reddit" to the search usually improves the results significantly

okl 3y ago

Maybe this tool can help you disable some of those things: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

underseacables 3y ago

Windows 11 should be classified as a hate crime.. Just the fact that I'm deceitfully "required" to create a Microsoft just to use the system is an abomination. On some systems, I've seen that there is a way to bypass that account creation, and just have a local account, but it was so hidden and deceitful that it was… emotional..

johnbellone 3y ago
This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. I agree that it is a problem that both systems make you jump through hoops to use them without doing that, but it doesn't seem to elicit the same emotions that come from it being Microsoft. They're both trillion dollar companies that only care about keeping you in their walled garden.
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago
  > This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. There's no requirement to create an apple account.
  - johnbellone 3y ago
    There isn't a requirement to create a Microsoft account, either.
    - beebeepka 3y ago
      Indeed there isn't. I bought an OEM license for gaming and decided to unplug my ethernet just in case. Wasn't asked to create an account. Not sure if this is the only way to avoid it short of installing one of those cool corporate builds. I read things will improve next year thanks to the EU, though: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/europeans-can-soon-strip-bing-edge-other-microsoft-cruft-from-windows-11/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/europeans-can-soon-s...
    - MenhirMike 3y ago

CuriousCosmic 3y ago

> And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? You actually can, it's just they don't expose most of it to the user. However people have built tools [1] that give you a pretty UI to manage those more complex configs and apply them to windows. Bonus points in that you can use all the old windows UI elements from previous versions of windows and mix and match them as you choose. Honestly I couldn't tolerate Windows 11 without something like ExplorerPatcher. 1. https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

arrty88 3y ago
be careful. i used this for a while, but then windows updated and ended up bricking my normal user account. had to go into safemode and figure out the incantations to uninstall and resolve. all during a high priority time for needing my computer of course.
- CuriousCosmic 3y ago
  Yeah I'm not sure how long ago you used it but ExplorerPatcher nowadays is setup so that it disables itself if explorer crashes more than like twice in a row so that you can debug the issue. Normally it's just a matter of fetching the new symbols (which happens automatically) and occasionally updating. Afterwards you can relaunch EP... or you can just leave it disabled if you are busy.
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FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? IDK, because the real question here is why can't YOU do it? Because that's definitely possible, anyone can do it with a few clicks from the GUI, there's nothing stopping you from doing that. Pretty sure my 5 year old nephew can figure out how to get to Right click -> Taskbar setting, where stuff can be removed from the taskbar. There are plenty of faults with Win11, but the fact that you haven't managed this, is more an issue on your side ("I tried nothing and it doesn't work") rather than with the product in question. Excuse the bluntness but I'm tired of seeing all the FUD spread on HN and I need to correct it.

okr 3y ago
How do i remove teams or the stupid weather badge from the task bar? I can remove explorer and edge with a right-click, just those two i can not. It is inconsistent. That it is not impossible with a few more clicks and that i have to know, where to find it, well, duh.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >How do i remove teams or the stupid weather badge from the task bar? In the time you have written this rant/question here you could have typed it instead in Google, Copilot or ChatGPT and have gotten your answer already instead of falsely complaining that "its impossible to remove something" when it's not. Yes, some things will always be unintuitive to the user that's new to any OS, but that's the issue with any other OS including MacOS and Linux distros when you're brand new to them and use it for the first time. There's always gonna be a learning curve and you'll need to Google a bit to figure some stuff out in the beginning regardless of your OS of choice, but that's a long way from saying "it cannot be done" when the main issue is you can't be bothered to Google something basic. Excuse the bluntness here in my comments, but how do people manage to get into highly paid technical careers while not being able to Google "how to remove X from Windows taskbar?".
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago
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libraryatnight 3y ago

I've been able to disable most of the things I do not like on win11 pro, so far, but if it weren't for how much I use Ableton I would be all in on Linux at this point. If anybody knows anyone at Ableton, please tell them to do a Linux edition :P

bitwize 3y ago
Or at least check that it works on Wine. I find these days that when Windows programs work on Wine they work very, very well.
- beebeepka 3y ago
  Hah, a friend of mine was swearing it wouldn't work. How's performance and latency?

mmcnl 3y ago

I honestly don't understand how macOS and Linux are better with respect to OS updates. With Ubuntu I always have to update and reboot, almost weekly. And with macOS if there's an update, you can at least schedule it, but not without this big bright red notification badge that's always in your face and can't be dismissed.