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> should just be a government effort And the controlling party de jour will totally not tweak it to side with their agenda, I'm sure. </s>

cyanydeez 3y ago
uh. We're arguing about _who is controlling AI_. What do you image a neutral party does? If youu're talking about safety, don't you think there should be someone sitting on a boar dsomewhere, contemplating _what should the AI feed today?_ Seriously, why is a non profit, or a business or whatever any different than a government? I get it: there's all kinds of governments, but now theres all kind of businesses. The point of putting it in the governments hand is a defacto acknowledgement that it's a utility. Take other utilities, any time you give a prive org a right to control whether or not you get electricity or water, whats the outcome? Rarely good. If AI is suppose to help society, that's the purview of the government. That's all, you can imagine it's the chinese government, or the russian, or the american or the canadian. They're all _going to do it_, thats _going to happen_, and if a business gets there first, _what is the difference if it's such a powerful device_. I get it, people look dimly on governments, but guess what: they're just as powerful as some organization that gets billions of dollars to effect society. Why is it suddenly a boogeyman?
- sethammons 3y ago
  I find any government to be more of a boogeyman than any private company because the government has the right to violence and companies come and go at a faster rate.
  - cyanydeez 3y ago
    Ok, and if Raytheon builds an AI and tells a government "trust us, its safe", arn't you just letting them create a scape goat via the government? Seriously, Businesses simply dont have the history that governments do. They're just as capable of violence. https://utopia.org/guide/crime-controversy-nestles-5-biggest-scandals-explained/ https://utopia.org/guide/crime-controversy-nestles-5-biggest... All you're identifying is "government has a longer history of violence than Businesses"
  - kjkjadksj 3y ago
    The municipal utility provider has a right to violence? The park service? Where do you live? Los Angeles during Blade Runner?

cyanydeez 3y ago

uh. We're arguing about _who is controlling AI_. What do you image a neutral party does? If youu're talking about safety, don't you think there should be someone sitting on a boar dsomewhere, contemplating _what should the AI feed today?_ Seriously, why is a non profit, or a business or whatever any different than a government? I get it: there's all kinds of governments, but now theres all kind of businesses. The point of putting it in the governments hand is a defacto acknowledgement that it's a utility. Take other utilities, any time you give a prive org a right to control whether or not you get electricity or water, whats the outcome? Rarely good. If AI is suppose to help society, that's the purview of the government. That's all, you can imagine it's the chinese government, or the russian, or the american or the canadian. They're all _going to do it_, thats _going to happen_, and if a business gets there first, _what is the difference if it's such a powerful device_. I get it, people look dimly on governments, but guess what: they're just as powerful as some organization that gets billions of dollars to effect society. Why is it suddenly a boogeyman?

sethammons 3y ago
I find any government to be more of a boogeyman than any private company because the government has the right to violence and companies come and go at a faster rate.
- cyanydeez 3y ago
  Ok, and if Raytheon builds an AI and tells a government "trust us, its safe", arn't you just letting them create a scape goat via the government? Seriously, Businesses simply dont have the history that governments do. They're just as capable of violence. https://utopia.org/guide/crime-controversy-nestles-5-biggest-scandals-explained/ https://utopia.org/guide/crime-controversy-nestles-5-biggest... All you're identifying is "government has a longer history of violence than Businesses"
- kjkjadksj 3y ago
  The municipal utility provider has a right to violence? The park service? Where do you live? Los Angeles during Blade Runner?