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We're using Adobe Air/HTML5/Jquery/Backbone.js/CSS.

by ronadams 14y ago

sohn 14y ago
You're doomed
- bretthellman 14y ago
  y? do tell
- gunz_rozez 14y ago
  @sohn, care to elaborate?
- digitalboss 14y ago
  Why don't you give them real feedback? This site thrives on collaboration not "one-liners" like what you provided.
- subpixel 14y ago
  Politely: I won't install an Adobe Air app unless forced to by me employer. Maybe that's how this will work, but Air is always a drag in my personal experience.
  - ronadams 14y ago
    Again, it would be great to get feedback on exactly why it's a drag.
    - halostatue 14y ago
      Because it's Yet Another Runtime that I Don't Want to Have to Install and Maintain. I have yet to see an AIR application that is truly cross-platform functional. They run, but that doesn't mean that I want to spend time in them. I hadn't heard of hall.com before this post, but while I appreciate that (a) you've done this out of response to your users (good) and (b) you've done this because it's faster than doing something else, (c) I don't install AIR. These days, I only want .apps that include everything I need inside of the app bundle and don't require external installations. (I say this as someone shipping a USB stick with an app that, to apply an update of the app on the stick from the Mac, you have to have a driver installed. I don't want that driver, but I have to. Can't stand it.)
      - ronadams 14y ago
        Excellent! Thanks for the feedback. That's the type of useful information we need.
lucian1900 14y ago
Hopefully you'll consider switching to Titanium Desktop. There are many reasons, but the most important one is supporting Linux, since Adobe killed Air for Linux.
- bretthellman 14y ago
  Thanks for the tip. We did consider Titanium but heard from several startups stories about Titanium being very hard to debug.
MDCore 14y ago
At work we use one of your competitors, HipChat. They also have supposed Linux support via Adobe Air. Air just flat won't work with 64-bit Ubuntu(1). There are mystical voodoo rituals documented by lay practitioners (with names like UbutnuFan2732) which, surprisingly, don't work. The truth is that Adobe doesn't support it, so if you're lucky enough to get an Air App running on Linux it probably won't last. (1) I would imagine 64-bit Ubuntu is not rare. What are you Air app developers testing on?
anonymous 14y ago
You're shackling yourselves to a platform from a vendor widely known for bloated and buggy products. You can expect the strangest and most bizarre bugs ever. Here's an example from today: I updated flash to its latest version and now youtube videos have their red and blue channel swapped. But only when using hardware video acceleration. Or how about Machinarium - it's also based on flash and is unplayably slow, but only when run fullscreen. When run in a window, it's perfect. You should really sit back and think hard whether you can replace Air with something like python+qt+... or perhaps java (well, the jvm+libraries, you can still write in jython or clojure or whatever's hot these days). I'm sure there must be a platform to suit your needs that isn't Air.
- gunz_rozez 14y ago
  In the short term, Adobe Air provides you with the shortest time to get you product to market, but I agree that it should/cannot be a longterm solution, anything short of writing you app in native code IMHO is making yourself held hostage to these runtime environments and their quirks.

We're using Adobe Air/HTML5/Jquery/Backbone.js/CSS.

sohn 14y ago

You're doomed

bretthellman 14y ago
y? do tell
gunz_rozez 14y ago
@sohn, care to elaborate?
digitalboss 14y ago
Why don't you give them real feedback? This site thrives on collaboration not "one-liners" like what you provided.
subpixel 14y ago
Politely: I won't install an Adobe Air app unless forced to by me employer. Maybe that's how this will work, but Air is always a drag in my personal experience.
- ronadams 14y ago
  Again, it would be great to get feedback on exactly why it's a drag.
  - halostatue 14y ago
    Because it's Yet Another Runtime that I Don't Want to Have to Install and Maintain. I have yet to see an AIR application that is truly cross-platform functional. They run, but that doesn't mean that I want to spend time in them. I hadn't heard of hall.com before this post, but while I appreciate that (a) you've done this out of response to your users (good) and (b) you've done this because it's faster than doing something else, (c) I don't install AIR. These days, I only want .apps that include everything I need inside of the app bundle and don't require external installations. (I say this as someone shipping a USB stick with an app that, to apply an update of the app on the stick from the Mac, you have to have a driver installed. I don't want that driver, but I have to. Can't stand it.)
    - ronadams 14y ago
      Excellent! Thanks for the feedback. That's the type of useful information we need.

lucian1900 14y ago

Hopefully you'll consider switching to Titanium Desktop. There are many reasons, but the most important one is supporting Linux, since Adobe killed Air for Linux.

bretthellman 14y ago
Thanks for the tip. We did consider Titanium but heard from several startups stories about Titanium being very hard to debug.

MDCore 14y ago

At work we use one of your competitors, HipChat. They also have supposed Linux support via Adobe Air. Air just flat won't work with 64-bit Ubuntu(1). There are mystical voodoo rituals documented by lay practitioners (with names like UbutnuFan2732) which, surprisingly, don't work. The truth is that Adobe doesn't support it, so if you're lucky enough to get an Air App running on Linux it probably won't last. (1) I would imagine 64-bit Ubuntu is not rare. What are you Air app developers testing on?

anonymous 14y ago

You're shackling yourselves to a platform from a vendor widely known for bloated and buggy products. You can expect the strangest and most bizarre bugs ever. Here's an example from today: I updated flash to its latest version and now youtube videos have their red and blue channel swapped. But only when using hardware video acceleration. Or how about Machinarium - it's also based on flash and is unplayably slow, but only when run fullscreen. When run in a window, it's perfect. You should really sit back and think hard whether you can replace Air with something like python+qt+... or perhaps java (well, the jvm+libraries, you can still write in jython or clojure or whatever's hot these days). I'm sure there must be a platform to suit your needs that isn't Air.

gunz_rozez 14y ago
In the short term, Adobe Air provides you with the shortest time to get you product to market, but I agree that it should/cannot be a longterm solution, anything short of writing you app in native code IMHO is making yourself held hostage to these runtime environments and their quirks.