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> I wouldn't be so sure of that. Given that a bunch of the staff are acting like they're Heavens Gate members you also expect them to sabotage it? Or literally

> I wouldn't be so sure of that. Given that a bunch of the staff are acting like they're Heavens Gate members you also expect them to sabotage it? Or literally have a flavor-aid session in the office? > Their investors, employees and donors might disagree with that. Nobody wants to invest in a personality cult that's sworn an oath of fealty to one guy, dude. That's basically flushing money down the toilet, as this fiasco demonstrates. These lunatics are ready to sacrifice their children on twitter. You cannot work with people like that!

ben_w 3y ago
> Nobody wants to invest in a personality cult that's sworn an oath of fealty to one guy, dude. That's basically flushing money down the toilet, as this fiasco demonstrates. Are you aware that Microsoft and Salesforce CEOs have both offered to hire any OpenAI employees who want to switch boat, while Nvidia CEO and Meta's FAIR team have both made similar but slightly lesser "call me" offers to all of them? https://cointelegraph.com/news/microsoft-salesforce-nvidia-artificial-intelligence-swoop-hire-open-ai-employees-walkout-threats-increase-sam-altman https://cointelegraph.com/news/microsoft-salesforce-nvidia-a... > These lunatics are ready to sacrifice their children on twitter. You cannot work with people like that! ???
- 15457345234 3y ago
  > made similar but slightly lesser "call me" offers to all of them Sure, it's in their interest to break up a unified bloc of talent. Doesn't mean they genuinely want them. > ??? The behaviour demonstrated by many of the staff on twitter is, for want of a better word, unhinged. Odd declarations of loyalty. 4am posts. Retweeting hearts. Acting very 'ride or die.' It's weird.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    > Sure, it's in their interest to break up a unified bloc of talent. Doesn't mean they genuinely want them. Doesn't fit. In the scenario where they're all thinking that, nobody has to follow up with the same offer after the first person says it. > The behaviour demonstrated by many of the staff on twitter is, for want of a better word, unhinged. Odd declarations of loyalty. 4am posts. Retweeting hearts. Acting very 'ride or die.' It's weird. How is any of that "sacrifice their children on twitter"? I mean, jeez, this is major drama even for the rest of the tech community — this whole thing is even front-page on the BBC news site as I write — of course the people who work there are going to say things on Twitter.
    - 15457345234 3y ago
      > nobody has to follow up with the same offer Yes, different companies have to follow up with the same offer in order to break up the talent bloc. Otherwise the bloc will move en-masse to one firm. > How is any of that "sacrifice their children on twitter"? It's called hyperbole
      - ben_w 3y ago
        > Yes, different companies have to follow up with the same offer in order to break up the talent bloc. Otherwise the bloc will move en-masse to one firm. Or just… not hire all of them. Much easier. And in the scenario where Microsoft, Salesforce, NVIDIA, and Meta actually think the OpenAI staff are mad (rather than the more plausible scenario where they think the OpenAI board is mad and are looking for a big pile of skilled proven talent that already know each other and can work well together on big projects), the only sane response would have been "not only don't hire them, don't offer them jobs, what are you even thinking this is the real world we don't do things like the script of a Marvel film". > It's called hyperbole It makes you look like the mad one.
        15457345234 3y ago
        > Or just… not hire all of them. Much easier. Then a competitor might hire all of them. If you're in the AI business you don't want that. You want to grab either all of them or balkanize them. Come on, this isn't a hard concept to grasp. > And in the scenario where they actually think they're mad ... the script of a Marvel film Then you hire them on a 5 year exclusive contract so they can't rejoin Hydra. > It makes you look like the mad one It's normal human writing style, hyperbole, sarcasm, exaggeration, wit, irony, you know. Adult writing, for adults to consume.
        ben_w 3y ago
        You're saying > Sure, it's in their interest to break up a unified bloc of talent And > If you're in the AI business you don't want that. You want to grab either all of them or balkanize them. And > Nobody wants to invest in a personality cult that's sworn an oath of fealty to one guy, dude. That's basically flushing money down the toilet, as this fiasco demonstrates. These lunatics are ready to sacrifice their children on twitter. You cannot work with people like that! These are mutually incompatible positions.
- 15457345234 3y ago
  Also cointelegraph (lol) is not a reliable source of ... anything. Apart from hype, maybe.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    I might agree except they cited their sources and I checked them. I may be wrong, but those look like legit X accounts to me.

ben_w 3y ago

> Nobody wants to invest in a personality cult that's sworn an oath of fealty to one guy, dude. That's basically flushing money down the toilet, as this fiasco demonstrates. Are you aware that Microsoft and Salesforce CEOs have both offered to hire any OpenAI employees who want to switch boat, while Nvidia CEO and Meta's FAIR team have both made similar but slightly lesser "call me" offers to all of them? https://cointelegraph.com/news/microsoft-salesforce-nvidia-artificial-intelligence-swoop-hire-open-ai-employees-walkout-threats-increase-sam-altman https://cointelegraph.com/news/microsoft-salesforce-nvidia-a... > These lunatics are ready to sacrifice their children on twitter. You cannot work with people like that! ???

15457345234 3y ago
> made similar but slightly lesser "call me" offers to all of them Sure, it's in their interest to break up a unified bloc of talent. Doesn't mean they genuinely want them. > ??? The behaviour demonstrated by many of the staff on twitter is, for want of a better word, unhinged. Odd declarations of loyalty. 4am posts. Retweeting hearts. Acting very 'ride or die.' It's weird.
- ben_w 3y ago
  > Sure, it's in their interest to break up a unified bloc of talent. Doesn't mean they genuinely want them. Doesn't fit. In the scenario where they're all thinking that, nobody has to follow up with the same offer after the first person says it. > The behaviour demonstrated by many of the staff on twitter is, for want of a better word, unhinged. Odd declarations of loyalty. 4am posts. Retweeting hearts. Acting very 'ride or die.' It's weird. How is any of that "sacrifice their children on twitter"? I mean, jeez, this is major drama even for the rest of the tech community — this whole thing is even front-page on the BBC news site as I write — of course the people who work there are going to say things on Twitter.
  - 15457345234 3y ago
    > nobody has to follow up with the same offer Yes, different companies have to follow up with the same offer in order to break up the talent bloc. Otherwise the bloc will move en-masse to one firm. > How is any of that "sacrifice their children on twitter"? It's called hyperbole
    - ben_w 3y ago
      > Yes, different companies have to follow up with the same offer in order to break up the talent bloc. Otherwise the bloc will move en-masse to one firm. Or just… not hire all of them. Much easier. And in the scenario where Microsoft, Salesforce, NVIDIA, and Meta actually think the OpenAI staff are mad (rather than the more plausible scenario where they think the OpenAI board is mad and are looking for a big pile of skilled proven talent that already know each other and can work well together on big projects), the only sane response would have been "not only don't hire them, don't offer them jobs, what are you even thinking this is the real world we don't do things like the script of a Marvel film". > It's called hyperbole It makes you look like the mad one.
      - 15457345234 3y ago
        > Or just… not hire all of them. Much easier. Then a competitor might hire all of them. If you're in the AI business you don't want that. You want to grab either all of them or balkanize them. Come on, this isn't a hard concept to grasp. > And in the scenario where they actually think they're mad ... the script of a Marvel film Then you hire them on a 5 year exclusive contract so they can't rejoin Hydra. > It makes you look like the mad one It's normal human writing style, hyperbole, sarcasm, exaggeration, wit, irony, you know. Adult writing, for adults to consume.
        ben_w 3y ago
        You're saying > Sure, it's in their interest to break up a unified bloc of talent And > If you're in the AI business you don't want that. You want to grab either all of them or balkanize them. And > Nobody wants to invest in a personality cult that's sworn an oath of fealty to one guy, dude. That's basically flushing money down the toilet, as this fiasco demonstrates. These lunatics are ready to sacrifice their children on twitter. You cannot work with people like that! These are mutually incompatible positions.
15457345234 3y ago
Also cointelegraph (lol) is not a reliable source of ... anything. Apart from hype, maybe.
- ben_w 3y ago
  I might agree except they cited their sources and I checked them. I may be wrong, but those look like legit X accounts to me.