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I do not know if you will see this reply.. but you are 100% correct. There is a price to pay to social cohesion and I am not sure if I can draw the line correct

by vaidhy 3y ago

I do not know if you will see this reply.. but you are 100% correct. There is a price to pay to social cohesion and I am not sure if I can draw the line correctly. Let us get a few strawman arguments out - freedom of speech is not a fundamental value for centuries. Like all other things, it is an evolving principle and what was true a few decades ago might no longer be kosher. People who are part of LGBTQ community had to self censor themselves for multiple centuries. Victims of sexual harassment had to self censor themselves. Being a free mason means you cannot talk about it public. As a society, we make rules and norms all the time about what is acceptable and what is not. Unfortunately, we are in midst of a massive cultural change and you can see its effects across all of the society. Eventually, one group will die out and we will have peace of mind again :)

somenameforme 3y ago
Oh come now, we're all narcissistic and more than occasionally skim back through that 'threads' button, if not to find new posts then to sniff the most beautiful aroma of our own arses. Yes, freedom of speech has been a fundamental value for centuries, that people have unfortunately come to take for granted. In history all of the great causes you might have felt passionately about were able to openly debated and pursued in no small part because Free Speech. Abolitionism, suffrage, equality issues, and so on could all have, and probably would have, been easily censored in a US without Free Speech. And thanks to the US' historic role in advancing near to all knowledge and technology, these ideals that were able to be fostered and grown, also spread across the globe. The world as we know it today would likely look dramatically different had Free Speech not been enshrined within the US. What you're talking about is something more like the Overton Window [1], which is related, but different. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

by vaidhy 3y ago

somenameforme 3y ago

Oh come now, we're all narcissistic and more than occasionally skim back through that 'threads' button, if not to find new posts then to sniff the most beautiful aroma of our own arses. Yes, freedom of speech has been a fundamental value for centuries, that people have unfortunately come to take for granted. In history all of the great causes you might have felt passionately about were able to openly debated and pursued in no small part because Free Speech. Abolitionism, suffrage, equality issues, and so on could all have, and probably would have, been easily censored in a US without Free Speech. And thanks to the US' historic role in advancing near to all knowledge and technology, these ideals that were able to be fostered and grown, also spread across the globe. The world as we know it today would likely look dramatically different had Free Speech not been enshrined within the US. What you're talking about is something more like the Overton Window [1], which is related, but different. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window