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> The hell it is, I don't have to look at billboards while driving down the highway, I sure as shit don't have to look at ads while surfing the internet. So ho

> The hell it is, I don't have to look at billboards while driving down the highway, I sure as shit don't have to look at ads while surfing the internet. So how are web site owners supposed to pay their bills? Don't want watch ads, but still get content? Create a paid account and login. If you don't want to watch the ads that are posted, that's your right. But someone has to fork over cash for hosting and bandwidth (and paying staff, so they can pay their bills), and I'm guessing you're not that person.

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
Someone has to pay for a mailbox too but I would never rent a home that didn't provide one. Someone elses business model is not my problem. I also very rarely shop wal-mart and the primary reason is your stop-loss prevention issues are not my problem, you feeling the need to treat me as a potential thief is. theft is a cost of doing business, ad blockers are a cost of doing business. These companies have alternatives that don't involve treating their users like shit, but the alternatives aren't as profitable. If you were to tell me youtube would go out of business if I continue to use an adblocker then they would go out of business. Someone else will figure out how to make it work or it was never going to work. Some things are more important than youtubes preferred business model working.
- yunohn 3y ago
  > These companies have alternatives that don't involve treating their users like shit, but the alternatives aren't as profitable. So I assume you pay for YouTube Premium?
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    Do I pay for the little sausage samples they give away for free at the super market?
- throw0101b 3y ago
  > Some things are more important than youtubes preferred business model working. Is you following the law and acting ethicaly by using a company's services as outlined by their terms of service important? * https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/14129599 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/14129599 * https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#c3e2907ca8 https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#c3e2907ca8 The ToS says that if you want to watch vides (without paying for Premium) you have to not block ads. Why can't you just either (a) follow the ToS, or (b) stop using the service? I just don't understand why you feel entitled to cheat the system.
  - PawgerZ 3y ago
    I didn't log in, I didn't agree to their terms of service. This is what people mean when they say it is "public"
  - asadotzler 3y ago
    I don't accept those TOS and yet Google still sends me the content I request via my browser. TOS are not a binding contract.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    > Why can't you just either (a) follow the ToS, or (b) stop using the service? Am I cheating the system if I go to Oktoberfest and listen to music I didn't pay to listen to? Am I cheating the system if I watch an ad and then don't purchase the item being advertised? am I cheating the system if I choose not to pull off the highway and gas up at the gas station that was advertised on the sign right before the off-ramp? All of these things are equivalent, yet big tech has convinced you one is not like the others.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      I think it's more like if your car has screens for windows, and puts a black box over every billboard so you don't see them and don't know there's a gas station. In all the cases you presented, you're still seeing the advertisement. Seeing the Grammerly ad before a YouTube video doesn't create an obligation for you to install the plugin either, what's important to Google is that you saw it in the first place.
everforward 3y ago
> If you don't want to watch the ads that are posted, that's your right. But someone has to fork over cash for hosting and bandwidth (and paying staff, so they can pay their bills), and I'm guessing you're not that person. That's also not my problem. They put their content in a public space, so I'm free to consume it as I will. If they would like control over that interaction, they're free to take their content to a private space where they can enforce whatever rules they would like. That private space probably isn't nearly as profitable, but their business plan is also not my problem. I don't feel any obligation to let them reap the rewards of being publicly accessible, while negating any drawbacks via social convention. They have a solution if they want to force people to watch ads, I'd encourage them to take it if this is so important. I'm not going to change behavior to support their business plan. Shopping malls put in parking lots and bathrooms. The goal is for shoppers to use them, but we all accept that people who aren't buying anything use them. This is the same thing. Being publicly accessible comes with costs, and the business can either decide being public is worth it and pay them, or decide they aren't and shut off public access. Ads are the same thing. I don't feel bad about using ad blockers any more than I feel bad about walking around the mall for exercise or using their bathroom and deciding not to buy anything.
- throw0101b 3y ago
  > Ads are the same thing. I don't feel bad about using ad blockers any more than I feel bad about walking around the mall for exercise or using their bathroom and deciding not to buy anything. The terms of service for a mall are different than the terms of service for Youtube. * https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/14129599 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/14129599 * https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#c3e2907ca8 https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#c3e2907ca8 A little while ago someone was charged in Canada for theft because he did a gas-and-dash at a petrol station, and his defence was that the pump was in a publicly available space. The judge was having none of it. My front yard is publicly available, but that doesn't mean someone can pitch a tent and have a campout. Just because Youtube's web page isn't completely behind a login doesn't mean what's on it is ripe for the taking in any way you see fit. If you don't want to watch ads on Youtube, why don't you simply stop watching Youtube (or pay for Youtube Premium)?

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago

Someone has to pay for a mailbox too but I would never rent a home that didn't provide one. Someone elses business model is not my problem. I also very rarely shop wal-mart and the primary reason is your stop-loss prevention issues are not my problem, you feeling the need to treat me as a potential thief is. theft is a cost of doing business, ad blockers are a cost of doing business. These companies have alternatives that don't involve treating their users like shit, but the alternatives aren't as profitable. If you were to tell me youtube would go out of business if I continue to use an adblocker then they would go out of business. Someone else will figure out how to make it work or it was never going to work. Some things are more important than youtubes preferred business model working.

yunohn 3y ago
> These companies have alternatives that don't involve treating their users like shit, but the alternatives aren't as profitable. So I assume you pay for YouTube Premium?
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  Do I pay for the little sausage samples they give away for free at the super market?
throw0101b 3y ago
> Some things are more important than youtubes preferred business model working. Is you following the law and acting ethicaly by using a company's services as outlined by their terms of service important? * https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/14129599 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/14129599 * https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#c3e2907ca8 https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#c3e2907ca8 The ToS says that if you want to watch vides (without paying for Premium) you have to not block ads. Why can't you just either (a) follow the ToS, or (b) stop using the service? I just don't understand why you feel entitled to cheat the system.
- PawgerZ 3y ago
  I didn't log in, I didn't agree to their terms of service. This is what people mean when they say it is "public"
- asadotzler 3y ago
  I don't accept those TOS and yet Google still sends me the content I request via my browser. TOS are not a binding contract.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  > Why can't you just either (a) follow the ToS, or (b) stop using the service? Am I cheating the system if I go to Oktoberfest and listen to music I didn't pay to listen to? Am I cheating the system if I watch an ad and then don't purchase the item being advertised? am I cheating the system if I choose not to pull off the highway and gas up at the gas station that was advertised on the sign right before the off-ramp? All of these things are equivalent, yet big tech has convinced you one is not like the others.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    I think it's more like if your car has screens for windows, and puts a black box over every billboard so you don't see them and don't know there's a gas station. In all the cases you presented, you're still seeing the advertisement. Seeing the Grammerly ad before a YouTube video doesn't create an obligation for you to install the plugin either, what's important to Google is that you saw it in the first place.

everforward 3y ago

> If you don't want to watch the ads that are posted, that's your right. But someone has to fork over cash for hosting and bandwidth (and paying staff, so they can pay their bills), and I'm guessing you're not that person. That's also not my problem. They put their content in a public space, so I'm free to consume it as I will. If they would like control over that interaction, they're free to take their content to a private space where they can enforce whatever rules they would like. That private space probably isn't nearly as profitable, but their business plan is also not my problem. I don't feel any obligation to let them reap the rewards of being publicly accessible, while negating any drawbacks via social convention. They have a solution if they want to force people to watch ads, I'd encourage them to take it if this is so important. I'm not going to change behavior to support their business plan. Shopping malls put in parking lots and bathrooms. The goal is for shoppers to use them, but we all accept that people who aren't buying anything use them. This is the same thing. Being publicly accessible comes with costs, and the business can either decide being public is worth it and pay them, or decide they aren't and shut off public access. Ads are the same thing. I don't feel bad about using ad blockers any more than I feel bad about walking around the mall for exercise or using their bathroom and deciding not to buy anything.

throw0101b 3y ago
> Ads are the same thing. I don't feel bad about using ad blockers any more than I feel bad about walking around the mall for exercise or using their bathroom and deciding not to buy anything. The terms of service for a mall are different than the terms of service for Youtube. * https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/14129599 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/14129599 * https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#c3e2907ca8 https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#c3e2907ca8 A little while ago someone was charged in Canada for theft because he did a gas-and-dash at a petrol station, and his defence was that the pump was in a publicly available space. The judge was having none of it. My front yard is publicly available, but that doesn't mean someone can pitch a tent and have a campout. Just because Youtube's web page isn't completely behind a login doesn't mean what's on it is ripe for the taking in any way you see fit. If you don't want to watch ads on Youtube, why don't you simply stop watching Youtube (or pay for Youtube Premium)?