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A few kids in my 8yo son's class don't use screens. No TVs, phones, games, etc. Others are already binge watching StarWars, Minecraft, etc. The differences b

by dudul 3y ago

A few kids in my 8yo son's class don't use screens. No TVs, phones, games, etc. Others are already binge watching StarWars, Minecraft, etc. The differences between these 2 groups are enormous in terms of their play, their attention during lessons, their overall academic achievements. I will never believe a study telling me that spending 2 hours watching star wars is better for a kid than going to build a fort in the forest.

vidarh 3y ago
You're assuming causality, and assuming less screen time would mean screen time would be replaced by activities you see as better. One possible reason why that logic might not hold might e.g. simply be that restrictions on screen time might correlate with more involved parents.
- dudul 3y ago
  No there is causality when a group is hitting each other with sticks, pretending to be jedi knights, and the other is setting up a "fake" farm with some complex "economy" between the baker, the blacksmith, the tailor, etc. There is causality when all the kid can draw involves violence with vague shapes, while others can draw complex sceneries. Where I do agree is that at the end of the day, the screen is not really the issue, it's what you watch on it.
  - vidarh 3y ago
    > There is causality when all the kid can draw involves violence with vague shapes, while others can draw complex sceneries. Without anything else all you have is correlation. There is no logically sound basis for your argument. It's staggering to me how many arguments in this thread are devoid of proper application of reasoning.
- it_citizen 3y ago
  Not sure why you are being downvoted. I can see a pretty strong correlation between the parents who have the will to not simplify their lives by putting kids in front of the TV and parents who will do more than the average parent for their kids to be well-educated.
Jensson 3y ago
> I will never believe a study telling me that spending 2 hours watching star wars is better for a kid than going to build a fort in the forest. The kids with screens already built forts and gained that, in this scenario it is the kids without screens that do the same mundane activity over and over while the kids with screens are experiencing new things. You learn the important parts about building forts or dams or tools very quickly, it isn't something you should be doing for years.

by dudul 3y ago

vidarh 3y ago

You're assuming causality, and assuming less screen time would mean screen time would be replaced by activities you see as better. One possible reason why that logic might not hold might e.g. simply be that restrictions on screen time might correlate with more involved parents.

dudul 3y ago
No there is causality when a group is hitting each other with sticks, pretending to be jedi knights, and the other is setting up a "fake" farm with some complex "economy" between the baker, the blacksmith, the tailor, etc. There is causality when all the kid can draw involves violence with vague shapes, while others can draw complex sceneries. Where I do agree is that at the end of the day, the screen is not really the issue, it's what you watch on it.
- vidarh 3y ago
  > There is causality when all the kid can draw involves violence with vague shapes, while others can draw complex sceneries. Without anything else all you have is correlation. There is no logically sound basis for your argument. It's staggering to me how many arguments in this thread are devoid of proper application of reasoning.
it_citizen 3y ago
Not sure why you are being downvoted. I can see a pretty strong correlation between the parents who have the will to not simplify their lives by putting kids in front of the TV and parents who will do more than the average parent for their kids to be well-educated.

Jensson 3y ago

> I will never believe a study telling me that spending 2 hours watching star wars is better for a kid than going to build a fort in the forest. The kids with screens already built forts and gained that, in this scenario it is the kids without screens that do the same mundane activity over and over while the kids with screens are experiencing new things. You learn the important parts about building forts or dams or tools very quickly, it isn't something you should be doing for years.