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Sideloading isn't a solution to this. The average user isn't going to figure out how to do that on their own (and if you disagree, then you're living in a bubbl

by bogwog 3y ago

Sideloading isn't a solution to this. The average user isn't going to figure out how to do that on their own (and if you disagree, then you're living in a bubble surrounded by tech nerds). There's a reason Google Play is the dominant store on Android even though sideloading has been possible since the first Android devices came out, and it has been a piece of crap through all of that time.

hospitalJail 3y ago
>Sideloading isn't a solution to this. The average user isn't going to figure out how to do that on their own (and if you disagree, then you're living in a bubble surrounded by tech nerds). Disagree. I seen literal children figure out how to torrent stuff.
- bad_user 3y ago
  Torrenting apps are allowed on Google Play. Search for LibreTorrent. But yes, if you have a look at Fortnite, the 2 methods they provide are (1) downloading the APK, or (2) Samsung's Galaxy Store: https://www.fortnite.com/mobile/android https://www.fortnite.com/mobile/android Even though they probably lose installs this way, I'm pretty sure that many kids manage to install Fortnite just fine.
- skydhash 3y ago
  Also disagree. When Whatsapp was paid, everyone used to sideload it (Telecom services are bad that whatsapp was a very good option, but no payment option in my country). Some people wanted to sideload it because of internet issue, cheaper to got someone else to share the apk file. Sideloading was very easy.
- babypuncher 3y ago
  Again, bubble surrounded by tech nerds. Children can be tech nerds too.
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    Tech nerds? My aunt figured out how to use torrents 15 years ago.
forgotpwd16 3y ago
>There's a reason Google Play is the dominant store on Android Maybe because it fully covers the needs for >99.9% of Android users. Sometimes the answer is the obvious one.
- paulryanrogers 3y ago
  It's because there is no store or browser ballet on first use. And because Play Store had special privileges making auto updates silent.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Yes because that worked so well in the EU…
    - paulryanrogers 3y ago
      Because it did? Firefox usage climbed quite a bit during that period.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/12/windows-browser-ballot-comes-to-an-end-as-ec-obligation-expires/%0A%0A https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/12/windo... > While there were early signs that the browser ballot screen was influencing browser usage in the EU, with Mozilla attributing some European Firefox growth to the selection page, long-term trends strongly suggest that it was next to useless
wiseowise 3y ago
> Sideloading isn't a solution to this. It won’t hurt either.
zirgs 3y ago
I know how to sideload apps, but still install apps through Play Store. Why would I bother sideloading something if it's on the store already?
- ragebol 3y ago
  Sideloading is not about things already in the app store, but for the things not in it.
seec 3y ago
If there is a 30% price difference in the stuff they buy, sure they will. Otherwise, people wouldn't go shopping across town, drive 5-10km more than they would need. I don't get arguments like these. If it's cheaper, people will switch over time. Not all of them, and it's going to be a trickle more than a mass exodus but they will do the "sideloading" aka installing apps from non centralized source, the norms in computing since forever... The privacy/security arguments are marketing bullshit that Apple came up with because they suck on the security side (previously their stuff was "secure" because nobody really cared about it) so they went with a brute force "we control everything" way of "solving" the problem. And all the privacy nonsense are just attacks on the business models of their competitors, they are not any better when it comes to ethics. Their "sideloading" restriction is like a dumb parent who make extremely strict interdiction about consuming alcohol. The first opportunity the kid gets you will find him drunk out of his mind. Education works, blanket interdiction like prohibition are historical oddities that are unsustainable. There are risks in life, people need to accept them and move on...

by bogwog 3y ago

hospitalJail 3y ago

>Sideloading isn't a solution to this. The average user isn't going to figure out how to do that on their own (and if you disagree, then you're living in a bubble surrounded by tech nerds). Disagree. I seen literal children figure out how to torrent stuff.

bad_user 3y ago
Torrenting apps are allowed on Google Play. Search for LibreTorrent. But yes, if you have a look at Fortnite, the 2 methods they provide are (1) downloading the APK, or (2) Samsung's Galaxy Store: https://www.fortnite.com/mobile/android https://www.fortnite.com/mobile/android Even though they probably lose installs this way, I'm pretty sure that many kids manage to install Fortnite just fine.
skydhash 3y ago
Also disagree. When Whatsapp was paid, everyone used to sideload it (Telecom services are bad that whatsapp was a very good option, but no payment option in my country). Some people wanted to sideload it because of internet issue, cheaper to got someone else to share the apk file. Sideloading was very easy.
babypuncher 3y ago
Again, bubble surrounded by tech nerds. Children can be tech nerds too.
- wiseowise 3y ago
  Tech nerds? My aunt figured out how to use torrents 15 years ago.

forgotpwd16 3y ago

>There's a reason Google Play is the dominant store on Android Maybe because it fully covers the needs for >99.9% of Android users. Sometimes the answer is the obvious one.

paulryanrogers 3y ago
It's because there is no store or browser ballet on first use. And because Play Store had special privileges making auto updates silent.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Yes because that worked so well in the EU…
  - paulryanrogers 3y ago
    Because it did? Firefox usage climbed quite a bit during that period.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/12/windows-browser-ballot-comes-to-an-end-as-ec-obligation-expires/%0A%0A https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/12/windo... > While there were early signs that the browser ballot screen was influencing browser usage in the EU, with Mozilla attributing some European Firefox growth to the selection page, long-term trends strongly suggest that it was next to useless

wiseowise 3y ago

> Sideloading isn't a solution to this. It won’t hurt either.

zirgs 3y ago

I know how to sideload apps, but still install apps through Play Store. Why would I bother sideloading something if it's on the store already?

ragebol 3y ago
Sideloading is not about things already in the app store, but for the things not in it.

seec 3y ago

If there is a 30% price difference in the stuff they buy, sure they will. Otherwise, people wouldn't go shopping across town, drive 5-10km more than they would need. I don't get arguments like these. If it's cheaper, people will switch over time. Not all of them, and it's going to be a trickle more than a mass exodus but they will do the "sideloading" aka installing apps from non centralized source, the norms in computing since forever... The privacy/security arguments are marketing bullshit that Apple came up with because they suck on the security side (previously their stuff was "secure" because nobody really cared about it) so they went with a brute force "we control everything" way of "solving" the problem. And all the privacy nonsense are just attacks on the business models of their competitors, they are not any better when it comes to ethics. Their "sideloading" restriction is like a dumb parent who make extremely strict interdiction about consuming alcohol. The first opportunity the kid gets you will find him drunk out of his mind. Education works, blanket interdiction like prohibition are historical oddities that are unsustainable. There are risks in life, people need to accept them and move on...