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Agreed with everything, except this: > I really wish the Node, Typescript, Deno/Bun, and maybe some bundler people would come together and figure out how to ma

by johnfn 3y ago

Agreed with everything, except this: > I really wish the Node, Typescript, Deno/Bun, and maybe some bundler people would come together and figure out how to make this easier for people. Bun has solved this. Bun is straight-up magic; they've implemented tons of hacks and heuristics so everything just works. Bun can even handle ridiculous or otherwise invalid code, like having import and require in the same file.

madeofpalk 3y ago
My point here is that Bun should go teach Node how to be pragmatic and build a good developer experience
- johnfn 3y ago
  Oh, yeah, totally agreed then.
yencabulator 3y ago
> tons of hacks and heuristics So, business as usual in the Javascript space. That's how the ecosystem got here, and why nothing works reliably.
- johnfn 3y ago
  Like I said in my comment, Bun works just fine. You seem to have taken 5 words I said out of context to justify something that I didn't say. It's not true that "nothing works reliably". Bun works reliably.
edgyquant 3y ago
I’ve never heard of bun before today. Why is it so low key and what’s it main selling point?
- kristiandupont 3y ago
  What are your main sources of tech news? Bun has been quite a darling here for a while..
  - phatskat 3y ago
    My own primary news source these days is HN and I’ve missed anything about it, your comment isn’t really helpful.
- flockonus 3y ago
  let me HN it for you - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22bun%22&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru...
- johnfn 3y ago
  It's a pretty recent development in the frontend landscape. Its main selling point is a fabulous developer experience. That and, like I said, combing over the ESM mess and basically Just Working (TM).
kaliqt 3y ago
How hard would it be to migrate a node project to Bun though? I want to move, but I'm not sure.
- johnfn 3y ago
  Should be a drop-in replacement.
- AntonCTO 3y ago
  TL;DR: It is too buggy. I tried it and ran into many issues. For example: - Incompatibility of transpiled artifacts with the Node runtime (many bugs were fixed, but I haven't tried again). I don't trust bun as a runtime. - Broken monorepo support. - No direct react support; you still need react-scripts/webpack/whatever. They have documentation on transpiling react, but it isn't the same. - No type checking, as with many other tools. Also, filter their issue tracker for bugs: https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Abug https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen...
mardef 3y ago
Bun has solved this, unless you have developers on Windows.
AntonCTO 3y ago
Unfortunately, bun is unusable due to a myriad of bugs. I closely monitor every bun release, hoping it will function well beyond simple node use cases. The idea is amazing, and I would love to switch to bun, but looking at the issues - no, not yet. How can I trust bun to be a secure runtime with all these bugs?
- johnfn 3y ago
  Which bugs are you referring to? Every runtime has bugs in the issue tracker; you'll have to be more specific than that.
  - AntonCTO 3y ago
    I ran into all types of bugs, including segfaults and incompatibilities with node. After encountering bundler bugs like https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/6168 https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/6168 and https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/4216 https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/4216, I stopped finding workarounds to get bun working.

by johnfn 3y ago

madeofpalk 3y ago

My point here is that Bun should go teach Node how to be pragmatic and build a good developer experience

johnfn 3y ago
Oh, yeah, totally agreed then.

yencabulator 3y ago

> tons of hacks and heuristics So, business as usual in the Javascript space. That's how the ecosystem got here, and why nothing works reliably.

johnfn 3y ago
Like I said in my comment, Bun works just fine. You seem to have taken 5 words I said out of context to justify something that I didn't say. It's not true that "nothing works reliably". Bun works reliably.

edgyquant 3y ago

I’ve never heard of bun before today. Why is it so low key and what’s it main selling point?

kristiandupont 3y ago
What are your main sources of tech news? Bun has been quite a darling here for a while..
- phatskat 3y ago
  My own primary news source these days is HN and I’ve missed anything about it, your comment isn’t really helpful.
flockonus 3y ago
let me HN it for you - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22bun%22&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru...
johnfn 3y ago
It's a pretty recent development in the frontend landscape. Its main selling point is a fabulous developer experience. That and, like I said, combing over the ESM mess and basically Just Working (TM).

kaliqt 3y ago

How hard would it be to migrate a node project to Bun though? I want to move, but I'm not sure.

johnfn 3y ago
Should be a drop-in replacement.
AntonCTO 3y ago
TL;DR: It is too buggy. I tried it and ran into many issues. For example: - Incompatibility of transpiled artifacts with the Node runtime (many bugs were fixed, but I haven't tried again). I don't trust bun as a runtime. - Broken monorepo support. - No direct react support; you still need react-scripts/webpack/whatever. They have documentation on transpiling react, but it isn't the same. - No type checking, as with many other tools. Also, filter their issue tracker for bugs: https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Abug https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen...

mardef 3y ago

Bun has solved this, unless you have developers on Windows.

AntonCTO 3y ago

Unfortunately, bun is unusable due to a myriad of bugs. I closely monitor every bun release, hoping it will function well beyond simple node use cases. The idea is amazing, and I would love to switch to bun, but looking at the issues - no, not yet. How can I trust bun to be a secure runtime with all these bugs?

johnfn 3y ago
Which bugs are you referring to? Every runtime has bugs in the issue tracker; you'll have to be more specific than that.
- AntonCTO 3y ago
  I ran into all types of bugs, including segfaults and incompatibilities with node. After encountering bundler bugs like https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/6168 https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/6168 and https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/4216 https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/4216, I stopped finding workarounds to get bun working.