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That argument works when they don't own 70% or so of the apps in the world. At some point, they should be held accountable for what they do on their store, just

by muzani 3y ago

That argument works when they don't own 70% or so of the apps in the world. At some point, they should be held accountable for what they do on their store, just like countries would be held accountable to what happens to their citizens. If Play Store decided to ban or restrict, say, Uber or Netflix, that's just billions of dollars of economic damage on a flick of a finger. They hold more power than banks. It's surprising they aren't tightly regulated like banks would be.

AnthonyMouse 3y ago
> They hold more power than banks. It's surprising they aren't tightly regulated like banks would be. No. Stop doing this. When someone has a monopoly, the solution is not to keep the monopoly and try to regulate it. It's to break the monopoly.
- muzani 3y ago
  Banks aren't a monopoly and are still dangerous. Also the apple app store is a "hard" monopoly, while Google's is a soft one, but Google still holds a bulk of the power despite major competitors. Also not all monopolies are dangerous or evil, e.g. Steam.
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    > Banks aren't a monopoly and are still dangerous. Banks aren't dangerous because they're a monopoly, they're dangerous because you're entrusting them with your money. Platform app stores are dangerous because they're a monopoly. > Also not all monopolies are dangerous or evil, e.g. Steam. Steam is still taking a 30% cut. Only monopolists can get away with that, and they should all be smashed.
- astrange 3y ago
  This is how to ensure your economy isn't competitive with other countries. Large companies with export businesses are more competent and successful than small companies without them. It's good for Korea that they have Samsung.
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    Completely the opposite. That is how you get the Big 3 automakers during the gas crisis. Lumbering bureaucracies insulated from competitive pressure, until they're not, and then a foreign competitor eats their lunch. You need aggressive internal competition to prepare your industries for aggressive external competition.
    - astrange 3y ago
      > You need aggressive internal competition to prepare your industries for aggressive external competition. Korea used an alternate approach where the country was run by a dictator who put the CEOs in prison if they didn't export enough. Now that's industrial policy!
      - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
        That doesn't actually fix it. CEOs already want to sell more stuff. When you have a large vertically integrated bureaucracy, the integration ossifies. Your cars are heavy so they need big engines and use a lot of fuel. Your big engines wouldn't fit in a smaller car. A smaller engine wouldn't be powerful enough to accelerate your heavy cars. So if gas prices suddenly go up, you have to throw everything out and start over from scratch. Which you can't do overnight, even if someone is threatening to put you in jail. So now Toyota is bigger than Ford, GM and Chrysler put together.

by muzani 3y ago

AnthonyMouse 3y ago

> They hold more power than banks. It's surprising they aren't tightly regulated like banks would be. No. Stop doing this. When someone has a monopoly, the solution is not to keep the monopoly and try to regulate it. It's to break the monopoly.

muzani 3y ago
Banks aren't a monopoly and are still dangerous. Also the apple app store is a "hard" monopoly, while Google's is a soft one, but Google still holds a bulk of the power despite major competitors. Also not all monopolies are dangerous or evil, e.g. Steam.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  > Banks aren't a monopoly and are still dangerous. Banks aren't dangerous because they're a monopoly, they're dangerous because you're entrusting them with your money. Platform app stores are dangerous because they're a monopoly. > Also not all monopolies are dangerous or evil, e.g. Steam. Steam is still taking a 30% cut. Only monopolists can get away with that, and they should all be smashed.
astrange 3y ago
This is how to ensure your economy isn't competitive with other countries. Large companies with export businesses are more competent and successful than small companies without them. It's good for Korea that they have Samsung.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  Completely the opposite. That is how you get the Big 3 automakers during the gas crisis. Lumbering bureaucracies insulated from competitive pressure, until they're not, and then a foreign competitor eats their lunch. You need aggressive internal competition to prepare your industries for aggressive external competition.
  - astrange 3y ago
    > You need aggressive internal competition to prepare your industries for aggressive external competition. Korea used an alternate approach where the country was run by a dictator who put the CEOs in prison if they didn't export enough. Now that's industrial policy!
    - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
      That doesn't actually fix it. CEOs already want to sell more stuff. When you have a large vertically integrated bureaucracy, the integration ossifies. Your cars are heavy so they need big engines and use a lot of fuel. Your big engines wouldn't fit in a smaller car. A smaller engine wouldn't be powerful enough to accelerate your heavy cars. So if gas prices suddenly go up, you have to throw everything out and start over from scratch. Which you can't do overnight, even if someone is threatening to put you in jail. So now Toyota is bigger than Ford, GM and Chrysler put together.