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> that matches your compensation That is going to go over well with current microsoft employees.

shmatt 3y ago
0% raise and lower bonus pool in 2023 for Satyas engineers then the $1M-$2M/year OpenAI folks who never built a profitable product enter the building
- coliveira 3y ago
  Well, this is hardly ever the first time this happens at Microsoft. The veterans are probably already used to it.
- makestuff 3y ago
  All time high stock though... If it wasn't such a PITA to prep for interviews I think companies would have to give out better raises to current employees to avoid mass attrition. My conspiracy theory is that companies keep using leetcode style interviews because they know people don't want to study for them which makes them less likely to change jobs for more money.
  - kridsdale3 3y ago
    Now you see why FAANG interviews are so onerous.
kelipso 3y ago
It's sounding more and more like a bluff. Everyone at Microsoft Research has to be seething at this.
- cnlwsu 3y ago
  Why? Hiring a bunch of great engineers with relevant experience usually goes over well in teams I been in.
  - sarchertech 3y ago
    Not when the company told the existing engineers they can’t afford raises and have to lower bonuses. Then they openly offer much larger payouts to all the new folks. Might or might not be worth it, but there’s no way that doesn’t create massive resentment.
  - knowriju 3y ago
    I doubt all of those 700+ employees are ML Researchers. For the majority of that employee base there would be an equivalent role already in MS. That wouldn't go well with them. Eg. There would be atleast 1 web-developer in OpenAI who would have written the ChatGPT UI. That person for all we know might be better payed that the web-developer folks working on Bing UI.
- wmf 3y ago
  If MSR people wanted OpenAI salaries they could have applied to OpenAI.
sashank_1509 3y ago
LinkedIn is one of the highest paying companies in tech while MS pays peanuts. Seems like MS has done this before.

0% raise and lower bonus pool in 2023 for Satyas engineers then the $1M-$2M/year OpenAI folks who never built a profitable product enter the building

coliveira 3y ago
Well, this is hardly ever the first time this happens at Microsoft. The veterans are probably already used to it.
makestuff 3y ago
All time high stock though... If it wasn't such a PITA to prep for interviews I think companies would have to give out better raises to current employees to avoid mass attrition. My conspiracy theory is that companies keep using leetcode style interviews because they know people don't want to study for them which makes them less likely to change jobs for more money.
- kridsdale3 3y ago
  Now you see why FAANG interviews are so onerous.

kelipso 3y ago

It's sounding more and more like a bluff. Everyone at Microsoft Research has to be seething at this.

cnlwsu 3y ago
Why? Hiring a bunch of great engineers with relevant experience usually goes over well in teams I been in.
- sarchertech 3y ago
  Not when the company told the existing engineers they can’t afford raises and have to lower bonuses. Then they openly offer much larger payouts to all the new folks. Might or might not be worth it, but there’s no way that doesn’t create massive resentment.
- knowriju 3y ago
  I doubt all of those 700+ employees are ML Researchers. For the majority of that employee base there would be an equivalent role already in MS. That wouldn't go well with them. Eg. There would be atleast 1 web-developer in OpenAI who would have written the ChatGPT UI. That person for all we know might be better payed that the web-developer folks working on Bing UI.
wmf 3y ago
If MSR people wanted OpenAI salaries they could have applied to OpenAI.

sashank_1509 3y ago

LinkedIn is one of the highest paying companies in tech while MS pays peanuts. Seems like MS has done this before.