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Node.js, TypeScript (compiled script...), ESM modules, versions, and the dependencies tree hell... You guys are adopting the masochism, the problem is that you

by drtgh 3y ago

Node.js, TypeScript (compiled script...), ESM modules, versions, and the dependencies tree hell... You guys are adopting the masochism, the problem is that you are dragging the rest of us into that hell.

bovermyer 3y ago
I'm going through a special version of this hell right now at work. I'm updating old Lambdas that are on the node.js 12 runtime. Some of them have internal dependencies that just _no longer exist_, or aren't compatible with Node past 14. Meanwhile, all I had to do to update old Python Lambdas was just update the runtime itself.
- postalrat 3y ago
  https://www.google.com/search?q=python+version+hell https://www.google.com/search?q=python+version+hell
  - bovermyer 3y ago
    Note that in my original comment, I didn't say Python doesn't have version problems. I said my (specifically my) Lambda version migration problems were much worse with Node.js than Python. Also, I'm vaguely offended that you used a "let me Google that for you" reply as your sole comment. Did you really have nothing more intelligent to add than low-effort snark? Go back to Reddit.
    - postalrat 3y ago
      A lot of people have versioning problems in all languages. You said "Meanwhile, all I had to do to update old Python Lambdas was just update the runtime itself. ". You know that isn't always true in Python that you just update the runtime and nothing goes wrong.
      - bovermyer 3y ago
        True, but Node.js is far worse when it comes to dependencies and _their_ dependencies.
      - drtgh 3y ago
        The reality is that JavaScript has become an ungovernable language; Python's dependency problems are nowhere near the current horror of JavaScript, where people keep using all these tools made by startups creating problems bigger than the problems such tools were supposed to solve, and those new problems are solved by a wave of new tools from more -or even the same- startups, and this in an endless loop, because people adopt it again.
        postalrat 3y ago
        At work I deal with javascript dependencies, ruby dependencies, php, and others. Dealing with keeping versions up to date sucks in every language I've used.
dclowd9901 3y ago
It’s only the module resolution bullshit. Typescript is amazing, but module resolution between the browser and node is so terribly fraught it kills the whole experience.
postalrat 3y ago
What is the alternative? Commenting on hn and reddit?

by drtgh 3y ago

bovermyer 3y ago

I'm going through a special version of this hell right now at work. I'm updating old Lambdas that are on the node.js 12 runtime. Some of them have internal dependencies that just _no longer exist_, or aren't compatible with Node past 14. Meanwhile, all I had to do to update old Python Lambdas was just update the runtime itself.

postalrat 3y ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=python+version+hell https://www.google.com/search?q=python+version+hell
- bovermyer 3y ago
  Note that in my original comment, I didn't say Python doesn't have version problems. I said my (specifically my) Lambda version migration problems were much worse with Node.js than Python. Also, I'm vaguely offended that you used a "let me Google that for you" reply as your sole comment. Did you really have nothing more intelligent to add than low-effort snark? Go back to Reddit.
  - postalrat 3y ago
    A lot of people have versioning problems in all languages. You said "Meanwhile, all I had to do to update old Python Lambdas was just update the runtime itself. ". You know that isn't always true in Python that you just update the runtime and nothing goes wrong.
    - bovermyer 3y ago
      True, but Node.js is far worse when it comes to dependencies and _their_ dependencies.
    - drtgh 3y ago
      The reality is that JavaScript has become an ungovernable language; Python's dependency problems are nowhere near the current horror of JavaScript, where people keep using all these tools made by startups creating problems bigger than the problems such tools were supposed to solve, and those new problems are solved by a wave of new tools from more -or even the same- startups, and this in an endless loop, because people adopt it again.
      - postalrat 3y ago
        At work I deal with javascript dependencies, ruby dependencies, php, and others. Dealing with keeping versions up to date sucks in every language I've used.

dclowd9901 3y ago

It’s only the module resolution bullshit. Typescript is amazing, but module resolution between the browser and node is so terribly fraught it kills the whole experience.

postalrat 3y ago

What is the alternative? Commenting on hn and reddit?