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No, AI is not going to kill us anytime soon. Yes, LLMs are not even close to AGI and the research on them does not lead to research on understanding cognition (

No, AI is not going to kill us anytime soon. Yes, LLMs are not even close to AGI and the research on them does not lead to research on understanding cognition (read Chomsky on this), which is required for AGI. Yes, DO ban all AI research and investment until society as a whole, by consensus, grants the privilege of continuing. OpenAI saga already has shown Sillicon Valley tech culture is in no fit shape to be involved in such manners in any form. The culture that gave us Musk buying Twitter and torpedoing its value by half the next day and the shitcoin scammer SBF does not have a good track record.

thfuran 3y ago
>the research on them does not lead to research on understanding cognition (read Chomsky on this), which is required for AGI. Many phenomena have been discovered unintentionally and/or without understanding them. Deliberately developing an agi would probably be easier with a better understanding of cognition, but it's almost certainly not required.
dcwca 3y ago
With all due respect, Chomsky has no intuition for this kind of technology. Was sad to see him reject the technology, felt oddly like sour grapes when really LLMs have validated his work on universal grammar.
chpatrick 3y ago
> No, AI is not going to kill us anytime soon. > Yes, DO ban all AI research and investment So do you think it's a threat or not?
- agevag 3y ago
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  - wholinator2 3y ago
    I think it's a Stretch to assert that for the GP. Where did they bring that kind of politics into their view or what led you to think that they, or anyone, thinks that
    - agevag 3y ago
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pjerem 3y ago
LLMs are not even close to AGI but they fake it enough that we can be pretty sure humans will allow them to take arbitrary decisions without further control. Will LLM kill us all and rule the world, no. Will LLM kill some of us because someone decided that they are cheaper at taking vital decisions ? I’m pretty sure it’ll happen.
3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
Your comment is like a random collection of sentence fragments that add up to nothing. You want to ban Silicon Valley from being involved in software projects regarding large amounts of compute? Who's more suitable exactly? The Amish? You can't ban compute. Here: 5 + 5 = 10. Might as well ban writing, or drawing. The cat's out of the bag. Now that we all know AI works, every country in the world will have theirs. No one has a monopoly on math, no one can regulate it. Especially the US and especially Silicon Valley. That's what they do. Silicon Valley brought you the personal computers, the Internet & web, the smartphones and now AI.
- shortsunblack 3y ago
  The military brought me the computers, the internet and the smartphones. Sillicon Valley merely commercialized the government funded research. And yes, this commercialization has brought many benefits. But that tap has long went dry. Sillicon Valley innovation now is Juicero, iPhones that change from square to rounded corners every two years and enshitification; not ground breaking innovation. And as for the compute bit of your comment, yes you can. You can outlaw financing of these ventures. You can prosecute the researchers for doing the research. We have these mechanisms. There's ethics boards.
  - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
    General Steve Jobs. Fearsome fellow.

thfuran 3y ago

>the research on them does not lead to research on understanding cognition (read Chomsky on this), which is required for AGI. Many phenomena have been discovered unintentionally and/or without understanding them. Deliberately developing an agi would probably be easier with a better understanding of cognition, but it's almost certainly not required.

dcwca 3y ago

With all due respect, Chomsky has no intuition for this kind of technology. Was sad to see him reject the technology, felt oddly like sour grapes when really LLMs have validated his work on universal grammar.

chpatrick 3y ago

> No, AI is not going to kill us anytime soon. > Yes, DO ban all AI research and investment So do you think it's a threat or not?

agevag 3y ago
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- wholinator2 3y ago
  I think it's a Stretch to assert that for the GP. Where did they bring that kind of politics into their view or what led you to think that they, or anyone, thinks that
  - agevag 3y ago
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pjerem 3y ago

LLMs are not even close to AGI but they fake it enough that we can be pretty sure humans will allow them to take arbitrary decisions without further control. Will LLM kill us all and rule the world, no. Will LLM kill some of us because someone decided that they are cheaper at taking vital decisions ? I’m pretty sure it’ll happen.

3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago

Your comment is like a random collection of sentence fragments that add up to nothing. You want to ban Silicon Valley from being involved in software projects regarding large amounts of compute? Who's more suitable exactly? The Amish? You can't ban compute. Here: 5 + 5 = 10. Might as well ban writing, or drawing. The cat's out of the bag. Now that we all know AI works, every country in the world will have theirs. No one has a monopoly on math, no one can regulate it. Especially the US and especially Silicon Valley. That's what they do. Silicon Valley brought you the personal computers, the Internet & web, the smartphones and now AI.

shortsunblack 3y ago
The military brought me the computers, the internet and the smartphones. Sillicon Valley merely commercialized the government funded research. And yes, this commercialization has brought many benefits. But that tap has long went dry. Sillicon Valley innovation now is Juicero, iPhones that change from square to rounded corners every two years and enshitification; not ground breaking innovation. And as for the compute bit of your comment, yes you can. You can outlaw financing of these ventures. You can prosecute the researchers for doing the research. We have these mechanisms. There's ethics boards.
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  General Steve Jobs. Fearsome fellow.