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Um, are we just skipping past the whole colonialist era and straight into some sort of enlightened modern age? Even then, Russia's European too. China's had a
by solardev 3y ago
Um, are we just skipping past the whole colonialist era and straight into some sort of enlightened modern age? Even then, Russia's European too.
China's had a rough and tumble history, to be sure, but they didn't try to take over the whole world. Just Tibet and Hong Kong so far, maybe Taiwan someday.
I think their ambitions are different, and so are their ethical frameworks. The CCP isn't a governing body I admire, but their people and culture have a very long history of collectivism and Confucianism. The flip side of Han supremacy and cultural erasure is national unity and civil harmony, their version of manifest destiny I guess, with an emphasis on assimilation.
I envision a Great Chinese AI to be in line with the firewall, ostensibly (and mostly) uses to promote harmony via strict control, rather than conquest. Maybe more Borg than Skynet?
- jncfhnb 3y ago> Um, are we just skipping past the whole colonialist era and straight into some sort of enlightened modern age? Even then, Russia's European too. yes because we are not in the colonialist era
- boringuser2 3y agoIt sounds like you agree with me aside from some vague historical wishy-washiness. Ironically, Russians don't really see themselves as "European".
- solardev 3y agoI don't agree or disagree with you; it's too broad a generalization to be useful. Ethically, I'm worried about Chinese cultural genocide and stagnation, alongside European far-right nationalism and fascist resurgences. I don't think anybody has much of a claim to moral superiority here, much less supremacy. I'm not worried about AI developments from either. I think AI is the only chance this planet has at actual moral governance. I have more faith in these models than human government.
- boringuser2 3y agoThe notion that the Chinese are the moral equivalent of the Europeans writ large beggars belief. It's just an absurd, intellectually offensive statement that I generally think you should feel bad about making. Note, I am neither Chinese nor European, an explicitly neutral observer.
- solardev 3y agoWell, I just don't think this provokes the moral outrage in me that it does in you. That's okay, we can have different beliefs. I'm not Chinese or European either, I just don't believe in some singularly great evil (or good, for that matter). Humans are complex, flawed creatures across the world...
- FranzFerdiNaN 3y agoEuropeans dont see Russians as European either.