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Still unclear why they didn't go for first replacing Central/Bakerloo triains
by wdb 3y ago
Still unclear why they didn't go for first replacing Central/Bakerloo triains
- buildstatements 3y agoYeh the central line is AWFUL. I used to travel out of my way to avoid it.
- kilroy123 3y agoI agree. I prefer to use the Elizabeth line whenever possible.
- chuckleMuscle 3y agoWasn't taking traffic off the central line a motivation from the start for Cross rail? This might be another reason why TFL is prioritising other lines over the central.
- tescocles 3y agoI feel sorry for the people that have to use it to commute every day. Surely their hearing must be being damaged.
- zeristor 3y agoFinance I guess. They’re working through a process of rebuilding Central line trains, updating virtually everything it seems.
- NeoTar 3y agoDoing five minutes research it seems that it's just down to the Piccadilly line being busier than the Bakerloo line - given that the Bakerloo being duplicated in parts by the London Overground. The Central line are on much more modern stock - the 1992 stock, and are currently undergoing a renovation programme, so the need to replace them is less pressing.
- fredoralive 3y agoCentral Line trains are 20 years newer, so presumably aren't going to be at the front of the queue. They do seem to be planning to do major refurbishment / upgrades on them in the near future, up to replacing the motors and related power control systems (DC to AC motors). Bakerloo line trains are about the same age of the Picadilly line, but the Bakerloo line is less used, so presumably that has edged the Picadilly ahead. They are next in line, as the article notes.
- masklinn 3y agoProbably because the NTfL studies forecasted much larger opportunities on Piccadilly (60% capacity increase versus 25 on central and bakerloo). So they prioritised deploying the new trains on Piccadilly. All three lines, and Waterloo & City, are planned for upgrade.
- kmlx 3y agohttps://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/look-out-on-the-central-line-an-upgraded-train-has-started-final-tests-67442/ https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/look-out-on-the-central... coming soon
- emblaegh 3y agoThose are just refurbished current stock I believe, so likely will still have no air con.
- lawtalkinghuman 3y agoCentral Line is due next ~2030. Then Bakerloo: ~2033. It's kind of reasonable to deprioritise the Bakerloo, even as someone who used to use the Bakerloo very frequently. Bakerloo gets significantly less usage than other lines: Piccadilly has double the number of annual travellers than the Bakerloo, for instance. (It'll be interesting to see if Piccadilly usage numbers go down now Crossrail has been finished and some portion of Heathrow travellers switch over.) The Bakerloo itself is also kind of a weird, redundant line. The NW segment doubles up with the Watford DC line, and for a lot of NW destinations like Wembley, the Jubilee and Metropolitan are better choices. There was also the issue of the proposed extension out to New Cross and/or Lewisham. They probably wanted to put off making a decision on the rolling stock upgrade until after they'd decided whether they were doing the SE extension.
- te_chris 3y agoIn my exerpience, whatever traffic the Elisabeth line has diverted hasn't made a difference. Piccadilly line still busy - I live on it.
- gpvos 3y agoHasn't Crossrail also diverted many travellers from the Central line?
- _aaed 3y agoWarwick Avenue and Maida Vale are two important stations to the Bakerloo line in my opinion