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> Apple manages maximum charge capacity automatically depending on the way you use your computer. Apple cannot predict where you are going to use laptop on AC

> Apple manages maximum charge capacity automatically depending on the way you use your computer. Apple cannot predict where you are going to use laptop on AC power at home or whether you are going somewhere and need a full charge. So manual control is better.

bayindirh 3y ago
There are apps for that if you want, and if it enables hold-off, you can always say "No, I need full charge now, so please charge".
internet2000 3y ago
That’s the weird part, they actually can. It’s supposedly one of the machine learning features, where it learns your schedule and makes daily accurate guesses of by when you’ll unplug and plug it back in.
- bayindirh 3y ago
  > ... they actually can. Yes, it does. Even my 7 years old iPhone X does it. I use some features at very specific times, and it suggests me "do you want to do X?" around the time I do that. So the models work well. Also, the phone generally enables optimized charging if I put it to charge too early. Scheduling to finish a couple of hours before I wake.
  - hunter2_ 3y ago
    > I use some features at very specific times, and it suggests me "do you want to do X?" around the time I do that. You're conceding that you have a predictable schedule. Folks on the other side of this (who believe it can't work nearly as well as manual control) don't have a predictable schedule. Think of it like {hybrid workers who use a desk all day the same 3 days a week, and are nomads the other 2 days a week, and the ML system can figure this out} vs {on-site workers who use a desk all day 5 days a week, but are nomads a few random days a year, which always catches the ML system off guard}. Both are valid. A setting that caps it at 80% unless you hit a button for "I'm about to spend a lot more time unplugged than usual, so prepare the battery for that" is the only way to handle unpredictable circumstances. Just like preparing an EV for a road trip.
    - bayindirh 3y ago
      As said by me and others elsewhere on this thread, this is of course a valid requirement, and tools have been developed for permanently capping charging percentage on Macs for quite some time. I don't have an objection to that. My Macs charge routine is way more hectic than my phone's which is very predictable, and both of them guesses what I'm trying to do correctly 99% of the time, and that's fine by me. What I said is, it's working fine for me, but the system is open to tuning both out of the box (I need this now, please charge), or with some small tools (it was called Aldente IIRC), for differing, equally valid needs. I don't think we're in disagreement here. BTW, your nick reads ********. Is it hunter2 or something? ;)

bayindirh 3y ago

There are apps for that if you want, and if it enables hold-off, you can always say "No, I need full charge now, so please charge".

internet2000 3y ago

That’s the weird part, they actually can. It’s supposedly one of the machine learning features, where it learns your schedule and makes daily accurate guesses of by when you’ll unplug and plug it back in.

bayindirh 3y ago
> ... they actually can. Yes, it does. Even my 7 years old iPhone X does it. I use some features at very specific times, and it suggests me "do you want to do X?" around the time I do that. So the models work well. Also, the phone generally enables optimized charging if I put it to charge too early. Scheduling to finish a couple of hours before I wake.
- hunter2_ 3y ago
  > I use some features at very specific times, and it suggests me "do you want to do X?" around the time I do that. You're conceding that you have a predictable schedule. Folks on the other side of this (who believe it can't work nearly as well as manual control) don't have a predictable schedule. Think of it like {hybrid workers who use a desk all day the same 3 days a week, and are nomads the other 2 days a week, and the ML system can figure this out} vs {on-site workers who use a desk all day 5 days a week, but are nomads a few random days a year, which always catches the ML system off guard}. Both are valid. A setting that caps it at 80% unless you hit a button for "I'm about to spend a lot more time unplugged than usual, so prepare the battery for that" is the only way to handle unpredictable circumstances. Just like preparing an EV for a road trip.
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    As said by me and others elsewhere on this thread, this is of course a valid requirement, and tools have been developed for permanently capping charging percentage on Macs for quite some time. I don't have an objection to that. My Macs charge routine is way more hectic than my phone's which is very predictable, and both of them guesses what I'm trying to do correctly 99% of the time, and that's fine by me. What I said is, it's working fine for me, but the system is open to tuning both out of the box (I need this now, please charge), or with some small tools (it was called Aldente IIRC), for differing, equally valid needs. I don't think we're in disagreement here. BTW, your nick reads ********. Is it hunter2 or something? ;)