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The title is outright dishonest. Ad blockers are not being disabled. Also, news of the manifest v3 timeline discussed a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.

by jsnell 3y ago

The title is outright dishonest. Ad blockers are not being disabled. Also, news of the manifest v3 timeline discussed a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38292409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38292409

addandsubtract 3y ago
Is it? From TFA: "The new #Chrome manifest will prevent using custom filters and stops on demand updates of blocklist. Only #Google authorized updates to browser extension will be allowed in the future..." If this is true, then ad blockers will, de facto, be disabled in Chrome.
- jsnell 3y ago
  The title claims ad blockers will be disabled, and that is just not true. I would bet actual money that adblockers will continue to be available. The functionality available to adblockers will change, and they will definitely have less flexibility. But nobody would say that Safari doesn't have adblockers, despite having a similar interface. The "Google authorized updates to blocklist" bit looks like an even more blatant lie. Dynamic blocklists that aren't updated via Chrome Web Store are supported: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/improvements-to-content-filtering-in-manifest-v3/#more-dynamic-rules https://developer.chrome.com/blog/improvements-to-content-fi...
  - pizza234 3y ago
    > The functionality available to adblockers will change, and they will definitely have less flexibility AFAIU, this is indeed the case of uBlock Origin lite: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ublock-origin-lite/ddkjiahejlhfcafbddmgiahcphecmpfh https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ublock-origin-lite/...
  - megasteel32 3y ago
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    - DangitBobby 3y ago
      The title implies that Chrome is disabling Ad Blockers, which if true would have been big news. What's happening instead is that MV3 is going to roll out just like we all knew it eventually would. All of the relevant implications for ad blockers have already been discussed at this point (including reduced functionality for some ad blockers such as Ublock Origin). "Read better" is not the problem here.
  - neuromanser 3y ago
    > The title claims ad blockers will be disabled, and that is just not true. Well, "crippled" is a no-no…
Brian_K_White 3y ago
The title claims that ad blockers such as ublock origin will be disabled, which is true. Other things that don't and can't do the full job, yet have a name that claims "ad blocker", even "ublock origin lite", are something else and irrelevant.
- chlorion 3y ago
  I think this is an example of moving the goal post. Instead of ad blockers being disabled, now it's specific blockers such as ublock origin will be disabled, and even that isn't true. An honest title would be "In June 2024, ad blockers such as ublock origin will have reduced functionality", or something along those lines. Ublock origin lite is an ad blocker, it's not something else, and it's not irrelevant, and you use vague language such as "it cant do the full job" without explaining what this means. This is misleading and incorrect.
  - seba_dos1 3y ago
    Ad blockers must use Manifest v2 on Chrome to achieve full functionality, and Manifest v2 extensions will be disabled in June. Any ad blocker that doesn't willingly reduce its functionality is going to be forcibly disabled. The title seems fine to me.
  - Brian_K_White 3y ago
    The title literally says ublock origin, and the entire point of the article and countless other such articles for at least the last year is exactly that ad blockers, and yes in particular ublock origin, will not be able to function. No goal posts have moved and ublock origin is not just a random "specific blocker" it's the gold standard one that actually does what they all should, because the author is principled and not for sale. In this context, "function" and "does what they all should" means "places ultimate control in the hands of the user" ie, allows you to do things that web sites and google don't like, but which you want. Most other ad blockers don't do that. They say they do, but they don't. Just like ublock itself, which caused the original author to fork and create ublock origin in the first place. It's been exactly the same story ever since manifest v3 was first proposed. If you somehow were unaware of that, consider yourself hereby informed.
chlorion 3y ago
It's really interesting to see the amount of misinformation being propagated lately. Do people not bother to fact check anything? The creator of ublock has made an ad blocker specifically for the new API and it's available to use right now. It's objectively incorrect to claim that ad blockers will not work after June 2024. The ublock lite extension does have some limitations, such as not allowing you to create filters at runtime. This is the result of not allowing extensions to load code at runtime. It's fair to criticize this limitation, but that's not what's happening here. This information is available, it's not hidden, you can read the readme of the ublock lite github repo or something, but are not even attempting to do this for some reason. I have used the ublock lite extensions to see for myself if it's totally broken, and it worked fine for me, the main limitation for me is not having the "element zapper", but it not blocking ads was not something that I experienced. I am all for criticizing companies actions, and ad blockers are very important to me just as well as anyone else here, but the dishonestly is very off putting and disappointing.

by jsnell 3y ago

addandsubtract 3y ago

Is it? From TFA: "The new #Chrome manifest will prevent using custom filters and stops on demand updates of blocklist. Only #Google authorized updates to browser extension will be allowed in the future..." If this is true, then ad blockers will, de facto, be disabled in Chrome.

jsnell 3y ago
The title claims ad blockers will be disabled, and that is just not true. I would bet actual money that adblockers will continue to be available. The functionality available to adblockers will change, and they will definitely have less flexibility. But nobody would say that Safari doesn't have adblockers, despite having a similar interface. The "Google authorized updates to blocklist" bit looks like an even more blatant lie. Dynamic blocklists that aren't updated via Chrome Web Store are supported: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/improvements-to-content-filtering-in-manifest-v3/#more-dynamic-rules https://developer.chrome.com/blog/improvements-to-content-fi...
- pizza234 3y ago
  > The functionality available to adblockers will change, and they will definitely have less flexibility AFAIU, this is indeed the case of uBlock Origin lite: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ublock-origin-lite/ddkjiahejlhfcafbddmgiahcphecmpfh https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ublock-origin-lite/...
- megasteel32 3y ago
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  - DangitBobby 3y ago
    The title implies that Chrome is disabling Ad Blockers, which if true would have been big news. What's happening instead is that MV3 is going to roll out just like we all knew it eventually would. All of the relevant implications for ad blockers have already been discussed at this point (including reduced functionality for some ad blockers such as Ublock Origin). "Read better" is not the problem here.
- neuromanser 3y ago
  > The title claims ad blockers will be disabled, and that is just not true. Well, "crippled" is a no-no…

Brian_K_White 3y ago

The title claims that ad blockers such as ublock origin will be disabled, which is true. Other things that don't and can't do the full job, yet have a name that claims "ad blocker", even "ublock origin lite", are something else and irrelevant.

chlorion 3y ago
I think this is an example of moving the goal post. Instead of ad blockers being disabled, now it's specific blockers such as ublock origin will be disabled, and even that isn't true. An honest title would be "In June 2024, ad blockers such as ublock origin will have reduced functionality", or something along those lines. Ublock origin lite is an ad blocker, it's not something else, and it's not irrelevant, and you use vague language such as "it cant do the full job" without explaining what this means. This is misleading and incorrect.
- seba_dos1 3y ago
  Ad blockers must use Manifest v2 on Chrome to achieve full functionality, and Manifest v2 extensions will be disabled in June. Any ad blocker that doesn't willingly reduce its functionality is going to be forcibly disabled. The title seems fine to me.
- Brian_K_White 3y ago
  The title literally says ublock origin, and the entire point of the article and countless other such articles for at least the last year is exactly that ad blockers, and yes in particular ublock origin, will not be able to function. No goal posts have moved and ublock origin is not just a random "specific blocker" it's the gold standard one that actually does what they all should, because the author is principled and not for sale. In this context, "function" and "does what they all should" means "places ultimate control in the hands of the user" ie, allows you to do things that web sites and google don't like, but which you want. Most other ad blockers don't do that. They say they do, but they don't. Just like ublock itself, which caused the original author to fork and create ublock origin in the first place. It's been exactly the same story ever since manifest v3 was first proposed. If you somehow were unaware of that, consider yourself hereby informed.

chlorion 3y ago

It's really interesting to see the amount of misinformation being propagated lately. Do people not bother to fact check anything? The creator of ublock has made an ad blocker specifically for the new API and it's available to use right now. It's objectively incorrect to claim that ad blockers will not work after June 2024. The ublock lite extension does have some limitations, such as not allowing you to create filters at runtime. This is the result of not allowing extensions to load code at runtime. It's fair to criticize this limitation, but that's not what's happening here. This information is available, it's not hidden, you can read the readme of the ublock lite github repo or something, but are not even attempting to do this for some reason. I have used the ublock lite extensions to see for myself if it's totally broken, and it worked fine for me, the main limitation for me is not having the "element zapper", but it not blocking ads was not something that I experienced. I am all for criticizing companies actions, and ad blockers are very important to me just as well as anyone else here, but the dishonestly is very off putting and disappointing.