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I would take this "report" with a whole bag of salt. First, they are talking about a 221-car sample; that seems extremely low and looks like it has been cherry

by seec 3y ago

I would take this "report" with a whole bag of salt. First, they are talking about a 221-car sample; that seems extremely low and looks like it has been cherry picked from among all the possibilities to make Tesla look as bad as possible. Second, we are talking about Germany; a country that has a whole political arm related to building and selling car, in particular luxury, a segment where Tesla has been beating them in some factors recently. You can feel the bitterness through the screen. Third, I would expect a 10-year-old car manufacturer with brand new tech to have reliability a bit worse than an established manufacturer with old proven tech. But they don't even talk about the real cost or total cost of ownership anyway, so it is like guessing and comparing. And they tout WV as reliable, which is kind of funny as everyone who really has own a WV will tell you, especially after the cheating scandal. I guess they are reliable as long as you don't care about electronics... And the electric Golf they are mentioning is not even produced anymore. My father's partner had an e-UP and was extremely unhappy with it so... It seems like classic Tesla hate and I don't even care because I think most people should not even get a car or that a car at those prices do not make sense. But if you are going to spend that much money on a car, Tesla is hardly the worst choice...

deelly 3y ago
Looks like we read different reports. Thats not 221-car sample, thats 221 vehicle models. Models, not cars. > TUV SUD is a Germany-headquartered company offering testing and certification services. It did 10.2 million times of regular testing on 221 vehicle models between July 2022 and June 2023.
- seec 3y ago
  Ok that's my bad I read too fast. Still, I would be interested in the distribution of the models. They may not have but lies via statistical manipulation are so prevalent that I assume it's at least half the answer in most cases. The rest is still valid. There is such a strong irrational Tesla hate by many that it's hard to take "reports" seriously. I feel it is prevalent in the general public as well. In fact, I feel the same hate people had for Apple right before and at the start of the iPod era. At that people were saying to me all kind of nonsense because I was using Apple products. Now Apple is most valuable company in the world so I'm laughing my ass off. Even more hilariously, nowadays I believe they are abusing their reputation and unfairly milking people. Careful what you wish for I guess... Still there is a lot of shit-talk about Tesla and most of it is nonsense. In particular I would ignore most of what come of out of Germany, they are scared shitless and clearly have a lot to gain by damaging Tesla reputation. I wish they would focus on producing better cars at cheaper price (when price matched, current German cars sort of suck compared to rest of the market but they won't let you tell that of course).

by seec 3y ago

deelly 3y ago

Looks like we read different reports. Thats not 221-car sample, thats 221 vehicle models. Models, not cars. > TUV SUD is a Germany-headquartered company offering testing and certification services. It did 10.2 million times of regular testing on 221 vehicle models between July 2022 and June 2023.

seec 3y ago
Ok that's my bad I read too fast. Still, I would be interested in the distribution of the models. They may not have but lies via statistical manipulation are so prevalent that I assume it's at least half the answer in most cases. The rest is still valid. There is such a strong irrational Tesla hate by many that it's hard to take "reports" seriously. I feel it is prevalent in the general public as well. In fact, I feel the same hate people had for Apple right before and at the start of the iPod era. At that people were saying to me all kind of nonsense because I was using Apple products. Now Apple is most valuable company in the world so I'm laughing my ass off. Even more hilariously, nowadays I believe they are abusing their reputation and unfairly milking people. Careful what you wish for I guess... Still there is a lot of shit-talk about Tesla and most of it is nonsense. In particular I would ignore most of what come of out of Germany, they are scared shitless and clearly have a lot to gain by damaging Tesla reputation. I wish they would focus on producing better cars at cheaper price (when price matched, current German cars sort of suck compared to rest of the market but they won't let you tell that of course).