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It's obvious what you're doing. You probably think you're being subtle, but you're not. The discussion is not about what % of people know about this (well-docu

It's obvious what you're doing. You probably think you're being subtle, but you're not. The discussion is not about what % of people know about this (well-documented if you simply do a google search) conspiracy theory, nor is it about criticizing Israel. The point is about Elon Musk agreeing with a known white supremacist conspiracy theory.

s1artibartfast 3y ago
If you see conspiracy theories everywhere I guess it makes sense that you'd accuse me of one too. I wasn't being evasive and meant everything I said. If a racist says the sky is blue and you agree, does that make you racist? If someone says calling the sky blue is a dog whistle, does that mean you have to call it red? Are we really operating under the assumption that anyone who criticizes a hypocritical apartheid ethno state is a racist?
- ssklash 3y ago
  There you go again, shoehorning in your carefully constructed talking points, without actually addressing any of the topics of the conversation.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    No thanks, if you don't understand the relevance of what I said, this won't go anywhere. From my perspective "carefully constructed talking points" is having an intelligent and relevant response. From you, anything that challenges you belief is a conspiracy.
    - cauch 3y ago
      How is that challenging? This is not challenging, this is hyper simplistic 8-year-old way of thinking without any nuances. When someone says something obviously over-simplifying with some implication of "us and them" and "this group that I don't like is obviously more stupid/barbaric than me just because they are of a different origin", that does not challenge anything to someone who see more nuances.
- cauch 3y ago
  If a racist says the sky is blue, I don't say "they are right", I just wait for a non-racist to say the sky is blue, which will happen if the sky is really blue, and then I say this person is right. If the only people who say the sky is blue are racist, then it is because the sky is not really blue and only racist people will think it's blue, and in this case, when you say they are right, it just means you fall for the same simplifications. In this case, for example, there is A LOT of people criticizing the policy of Israel government, but they are not doing it in a way that reeks racist ways of thinking (with all the useless implication of "them jews" and "their responsibilities"). And a big majority of the "normal" critics of Israel policies is not called antisemitic by people who mentioned the antisemitism of the commenter Elon's reacted to. If you are unable to understand why, it is more of a you problem than nothing else.

s1artibartfast 3y ago

If you see conspiracy theories everywhere I guess it makes sense that you'd accuse me of one too. I wasn't being evasive and meant everything I said. If a racist says the sky is blue and you agree, does that make you racist? If someone says calling the sky blue is a dog whistle, does that mean you have to call it red? Are we really operating under the assumption that anyone who criticizes a hypocritical apartheid ethno state is a racist?

ssklash 3y ago
There you go again, shoehorning in your carefully constructed talking points, without actually addressing any of the topics of the conversation.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  No thanks, if you don't understand the relevance of what I said, this won't go anywhere. From my perspective "carefully constructed talking points" is having an intelligent and relevant response. From you, anything that challenges you belief is a conspiracy.
  - cauch 3y ago
    How is that challenging? This is not challenging, this is hyper simplistic 8-year-old way of thinking without any nuances. When someone says something obviously over-simplifying with some implication of "us and them" and "this group that I don't like is obviously more stupid/barbaric than me just because they are of a different origin", that does not challenge anything to someone who see more nuances.
cauch 3y ago
If a racist says the sky is blue, I don't say "they are right", I just wait for a non-racist to say the sky is blue, which will happen if the sky is really blue, and then I say this person is right. If the only people who say the sky is blue are racist, then it is because the sky is not really blue and only racist people will think it's blue, and in this case, when you say they are right, it just means you fall for the same simplifications. In this case, for example, there is A LOT of people criticizing the policy of Israel government, but they are not doing it in a way that reeks racist ways of thinking (with all the useless implication of "them jews" and "their responsibilities"). And a big majority of the "normal" critics of Israel policies is not called antisemitic by people who mentioned the antisemitism of the commenter Elon's reacted to. If you are unable to understand why, it is more of a you problem than nothing else.