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"From a privacy perspective it's not too bad - provided they delete their copy of the photo after the card is issued. This isn't any different from having the p

"From a privacy perspective it's not too bad - provided they delete their copy of the photo after the card is issued. This isn't any different from having the photo printed on the ID card, if you ask me." If you have a government ID they already have your picture in a database. I know for a fact this is true if you have a US passport and I would be shocked if each state doesn't have a database with all Drivers License/state ID pictures.

sokoloff 3y ago
I can get my license reissued with my old photo as long as it’s within X number of years. This was handy during COVID when renewing entirely by mail was rolled out, but I also did it on a prior license renewal as well. I’m generally opposed to government intrusion on rights, but I don’t think I have the inherent right for the government to have no photos of me. I’m sure the Dept of State, Customs/Border Patrol, and my local motor vehicles dept has my photo on file.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  >> I don’t think I have the inherent right for the government to have no photos of me. Why? The government should have no info on you at all unless and until they have an articulable reason to suspect you to be in violation of the law. Then they should only be allowed to retain data about for the duration of your criminal history (which could be for life ) Customs and Border patrol should not even be allowed to ask you any questions or stop you at all upon reentry to the country unless again they have a clear and articulable reason to believe you are in violation for the law same with the TSA. the fact that we have allowed general "detainment" in the name of safety was the start of the slippery slope that they continue to advance further and further to more or less cancel all 4th and 5th amendment protections to the point now where those protections basically do not exist with in a 100 miles of any border which is like 80% of the nation. it is absurd to simply accept this as normal, and inline with individual freedom. it is not
  - lmm 3y ago
    > Customs and Border patrol should not even be allowed to ask you any questions or stop you at all upon reentry to the country unless again they have a clear and articulable reason to believe you are in violation for the law > same with the TSA. > the fact that we have allowed general "detainment" in the name of safety was the start of the slippery slope that they continue to advance further and further to more or less cancel all 4th and 5th amendment protections to the point now where those protections basically do not exist with in a 100 miles of any border which is like 80% of the nation. I agree with all that, but I still don't see how that leads to your claim. > Why? The government should have no info on you at all unless and until they have an articulable reason to suspect you to be in violation of the law. Then they should only be allowed to retain data about for the duration of your criminal history (which could be for life ) Why? It's normal for other people to remember what you look like, it's normal for your local government workers (who are likely the only ones for whom it matters) to remember what you look like, what people look like isn't secret.
    - haswell 3y ago
      I think the issue here is that it is both reasonable for the government to have a photo to facilitate some services, and also extremely dangerous for a centralized database to exist due to the kinds of surveillance this enables. If we could be certain that the collected photos would be used only for the specific uses cases deemed necessary and acceptable, and never for the purpose of enabling new forms of surveillance, then it seems reasonable for the government to have this info. But I don’t think that’s the reality. Or at least there aren’t checks and balances in place that I’m aware of that ensure the collected photos are not used for other purposes. It’s ultimately a problem of trust, and trust has been deeply eroded.
  - chrismcb 3y ago
    I disagree with the customs and border comment. I think a nation has a right to know who is entering the country. Otherwise you just have open borders. In addition other countries want to know who you are. So you need a passport
  - justinclift 3y ago
lucasban 3y ago
I just went and got my license renewed in my home state while I’m living overseas. The last time I had a license photo taken there, I was maybe 17. The clerk made sure to turn the screen around so we could both laugh at my old photo, so at least they keep them in one state.

sokoloff 3y ago

I can get my license reissued with my old photo as long as it’s within X number of years. This was handy during COVID when renewing entirely by mail was rolled out, but I also did it on a prior license renewal as well. I’m generally opposed to government intrusion on rights, but I don’t think I have the inherent right for the government to have no photos of me. I’m sure the Dept of State, Customs/Border Patrol, and my local motor vehicles dept has my photo on file.

phpisthebest 3y ago
>> I don’t think I have the inherent right for the government to have no photos of me. Why? The government should have no info on you at all unless and until they have an articulable reason to suspect you to be in violation of the law. Then they should only be allowed to retain data about for the duration of your criminal history (which could be for life ) Customs and Border patrol should not even be allowed to ask you any questions or stop you at all upon reentry to the country unless again they have a clear and articulable reason to believe you are in violation for the law same with the TSA. the fact that we have allowed general "detainment" in the name of safety was the start of the slippery slope that they continue to advance further and further to more or less cancel all 4th and 5th amendment protections to the point now where those protections basically do not exist with in a 100 miles of any border which is like 80% of the nation. it is absurd to simply accept this as normal, and inline with individual freedom. it is not
- lmm 3y ago
  > Customs and Border patrol should not even be allowed to ask you any questions or stop you at all upon reentry to the country unless again they have a clear and articulable reason to believe you are in violation for the law > same with the TSA. > the fact that we have allowed general "detainment" in the name of safety was the start of the slippery slope that they continue to advance further and further to more or less cancel all 4th and 5th amendment protections to the point now where those protections basically do not exist with in a 100 miles of any border which is like 80% of the nation. I agree with all that, but I still don't see how that leads to your claim. > Why? The government should have no info on you at all unless and until they have an articulable reason to suspect you to be in violation of the law. Then they should only be allowed to retain data about for the duration of your criminal history (which could be for life ) Why? It's normal for other people to remember what you look like, it's normal for your local government workers (who are likely the only ones for whom it matters) to remember what you look like, what people look like isn't secret.
  - haswell 3y ago
    I think the issue here is that it is both reasonable for the government to have a photo to facilitate some services, and also extremely dangerous for a centralized database to exist due to the kinds of surveillance this enables. If we could be certain that the collected photos would be used only for the specific uses cases deemed necessary and acceptable, and never for the purpose of enabling new forms of surveillance, then it seems reasonable for the government to have this info. But I don’t think that’s the reality. Or at least there aren’t checks and balances in place that I’m aware of that ensure the collected photos are not used for other purposes. It’s ultimately a problem of trust, and trust has been deeply eroded.
- chrismcb 3y ago
  I disagree with the customs and border comment. I think a nation has a right to know who is entering the country. Otherwise you just have open borders. In addition other countries want to know who you are. So you need a passport
- justinclift 3y ago

lucasban 3y ago

I just went and got my license renewed in my home state while I’m living overseas. The last time I had a license photo taken there, I was maybe 17. The clerk made sure to turn the screen around so we could both laugh at my old photo, so at least they keep them in one state.