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My memory is not the greatest and simple Google searches are not helping right now. Have there ever been massive problems from one of these leaks for the targe

My memory is not the greatest and simple Google searches are not helping right now. Have there ever been massive problems from one of these leaks for the targeted company? I seem to remember quite a lof of similar leaks over the past two years where the market and public shrug it off. Clearly 45gig is a lot. I would think if there was a major horrible thing to find that Boeing would have paid the ransom (and told no one). Will it have any real negative consequences for Boeing? It is a black mark against them that they were vulnerable. I guess it is favorable point for many that they didn't pay.

anitil 3y ago
I think it would be a problem if people started digging, but I suspect most people just don't have the time, inclination, or willingness to take the legal risk.
jacekm 3y ago
Competition will love to have a look at this data but obviously they won't announce it to the whole world that they are digging through the files. One day Airbus will build a new plane before Boeing or just win a lucrative contract and we will never know whether this happened naturally or because of the knowledge they got from this data.
- Denvercoder9 3y ago
  Airbus won't touch this data with a 90ft pole. Their lawyers will make sure of that, as even just downloading it opens them up to tons of lawsuits. The ones looking at this will be China, Russia and their associates that don't care about (Western) law.
  - omnimus 3y ago
    Airbus is not a person but a company. Of course some of the employees will look at this data. They will all pretend that they dont but companies pay for industry secrets why would they stay away from free ones.
    - PedroBatista 3y ago
      To be fair, 60s tech is widely known and Boeing would profit much more from Airbus tech than the other way around. Let's not even bring project Echelon into this..
      - dghlsakjg 3y ago
        I didn’t know that Boeing was making carbon fiber wide bodies like the 787 back in the 60s…
    - TillE 3y ago
      Random low-level employees looking at stuff out of curiosity won't have the power or even the motive to act on that data. For higher-level people it really just isn't worth the risk, unless there's some incredibly valuable secret.
  - m000 3y ago
    For what you don't want your direct employees to do, you can always hire a contractor who will do the dirty job and give you the (in this case literal) TL;DR.
  - aborsy 3y ago
    You can download it securely and anonymously. There is no way to find out. Actually, the French government intelligence agency is famous for IP theft. This one is placed at their feet.
    - jjeaff 3y ago
      that doesn't matter. if an employee were to read it and perhaps glimpse some trade secret and include that, even inadvertently into a future product, that could open them up for litigation.
  - billfruit 3y ago
    Why wouldn't Airbus not look into it, Boeing has often acted agressive in getting US government to put tariffs on Airbus.
  - userinanother 3y ago
    Rumor has it airbus used to have a secure cabinet of Boeing analysis data that people would go reference once in a while in the 90s but I doubt that happens anymore
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - ThinkBeat 3y ago
    That will be the guidance from the legal department for sure. and I would hope most bigwigs would know this without being told. If however, a completely separate company, perhaps in a different country, that has no business associations with Airbus in any manner, and there will never exists payments between Boeing and this company went through all of it would be no problem. If a specific bigwig later on received among photos and videos, a steganographic encrypted document whilst visiting an anonymous sex site then read it and deleted it, nobody would ever know. (lest someone talks, always the human factor) I made up all of the second paragraph. Companies specializing in what i described over to exist. They are not of course limited to ransomware leaks.
  - toss1 3y ago
    YES If you are under defense industry rules, viewing data is generally on a Need-To-Know basis. For any data that is classified, or CUI (Controlled Unclassified Information), EVEN IF that data becomes publicly available, it is illegal to view it. Now, I'm sure if a headline came up in a Google search you wouldn't get busted, but if you go ahead and download it, that is at least putting your ability to continue working with classified/CUI at risk. So yes, it's a hot potato which no one (smart) in the civilized democratic world will touch.
- raverbashing 3y ago
  What would Airbus learn from it? How to shoot yourself in the foot with bad management? (On the other hand maybe some other company's board went through the docs, hmm)
gosub100 3y ago
I bet the internal emails would be infinitely more valuable than design docs. let's see what the last link on the chain (of responsibility) actually said when they were told MCAS wasn't working. Let's hear how they worded the spin on the first batch of ~150 deaths to do damage control, and then how they reacted to the next. I'd fire up my popcorn maker for that!
Thorrez 3y ago
When Sony was hacked by North Korea, the leaked payroll revealed women were paid less than men for the same job. I'm not sure what the ramifications of that leak were though. https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/12/sony-pictures-hack-reveals-gender-pay-gap-at-the-entertainment-company-and-deloitte.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/12/sony-pictures-hack-...
- deadbeeves 3y ago
  What that article says is that one woman with the same job title as a man makes 1 million dollars less than the man. I doubt that's just a fixed salary, so it's hard to say how damning it is. It also says that a spreadsheet from 2004 states that 85% of the top earners were men. This is unrelated to the pay gap argument. The rest of the article is fluff completely unrelated to the leak. I'm no surprised there were no ramifications from this. If this is all that was found, it pretty much says there's no or practically no pay gap at Sony.
  - Thorrez 3y ago
    Here are a few more articles talking about actors/actresses' salaries (the second one is mostly reiterating the first): https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/12/sony-email-hack-jennifer-lawrence-paid-less-american-hustle https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/12/sony-email-hack... https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/may/28/george-clooney-sony-hack-exposed-gender-inequality-in-hollywood-pay https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/may/28/george-clooney-...
    - deadbeeves 3y ago
      I mean, it's hard to say whether two different actors really perform the same job; speaking for myself the only name I recognize in that article is Christian Bale's. Plus presumably they all have representatives that negotiate their cuts, so if they agreed to work for that amount, I don't think there's much room to complain. Finally, I can't really tell if there's a trend here. The article talks about the cases of three men and three women, where all three women are paid smaller cuts than the men, but is this the case for everyone else as well?
vidarh 3y ago
My personal mail is 10GB+ despite having moved providers in the last couple of years. 45GB can be a lot, or it can be a couple of people's worth of marketing presentations.

anitil 3y ago

I think it would be a problem if people started digging, but I suspect most people just don't have the time, inclination, or willingness to take the legal risk.

jacekm 3y ago

Competition will love to have a look at this data but obviously they won't announce it to the whole world that they are digging through the files. One day Airbus will build a new plane before Boeing or just win a lucrative contract and we will never know whether this happened naturally or because of the knowledge they got from this data.

Denvercoder9 3y ago
Airbus won't touch this data with a 90ft pole. Their lawyers will make sure of that, as even just downloading it opens them up to tons of lawsuits. The ones looking at this will be China, Russia and their associates that don't care about (Western) law.
- omnimus 3y ago
  Airbus is not a person but a company. Of course some of the employees will look at this data. They will all pretend that they dont but companies pay for industry secrets why would they stay away from free ones.
  - PedroBatista 3y ago
    To be fair, 60s tech is widely known and Boeing would profit much more from Airbus tech than the other way around. Let's not even bring project Echelon into this..
    - dghlsakjg 3y ago
      I didn’t know that Boeing was making carbon fiber wide bodies like the 787 back in the 60s…
  - TillE 3y ago
    Random low-level employees looking at stuff out of curiosity won't have the power or even the motive to act on that data. For higher-level people it really just isn't worth the risk, unless there's some incredibly valuable secret.
- m000 3y ago
  For what you don't want your direct employees to do, you can always hire a contractor who will do the dirty job and give you the (in this case literal) TL;DR.
- aborsy 3y ago
  You can download it securely and anonymously. There is no way to find out. Actually, the French government intelligence agency is famous for IP theft. This one is placed at their feet.
  - jjeaff 3y ago
    that doesn't matter. if an employee were to read it and perhaps glimpse some trade secret and include that, even inadvertently into a future product, that could open them up for litigation.
- billfruit 3y ago
  Why wouldn't Airbus not look into it, Boeing has often acted agressive in getting US government to put tariffs on Airbus.
- userinanother 3y ago
  Rumor has it airbus used to have a secure cabinet of Boeing analysis data that people would go reference once in a while in the 90s but I doubt that happens anymore
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- ThinkBeat 3y ago
  That will be the guidance from the legal department for sure. and I would hope most bigwigs would know this without being told. If however, a completely separate company, perhaps in a different country, that has no business associations with Airbus in any manner, and there will never exists payments between Boeing and this company went through all of it would be no problem. If a specific bigwig later on received among photos and videos, a steganographic encrypted document whilst visiting an anonymous sex site then read it and deleted it, nobody would ever know. (lest someone talks, always the human factor) I made up all of the second paragraph. Companies specializing in what i described over to exist. They are not of course limited to ransomware leaks.
- toss1 3y ago
  YES If you are under defense industry rules, viewing data is generally on a Need-To-Know basis. For any data that is classified, or CUI (Controlled Unclassified Information), EVEN IF that data becomes publicly available, it is illegal to view it. Now, I'm sure if a headline came up in a Google search you wouldn't get busted, but if you go ahead and download it, that is at least putting your ability to continue working with classified/CUI at risk. So yes, it's a hot potato which no one (smart) in the civilized democratic world will touch.
raverbashing 3y ago
What would Airbus learn from it? How to shoot yourself in the foot with bad management? (On the other hand maybe some other company's board went through the docs, hmm)

gosub100 3y ago

I bet the internal emails would be infinitely more valuable than design docs. let's see what the last link on the chain (of responsibility) actually said when they were told MCAS wasn't working. Let's hear how they worded the spin on the first batch of ~150 deaths to do damage control, and then how they reacted to the next. I'd fire up my popcorn maker for that!

Thorrez 3y ago

When Sony was hacked by North Korea, the leaked payroll revealed women were paid less than men for the same job. I'm not sure what the ramifications of that leak were though. https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/12/sony-pictures-hack-reveals-gender-pay-gap-at-the-entertainment-company-and-deloitte.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/12/sony-pictures-hack-...

deadbeeves 3y ago
What that article says is that one woman with the same job title as a man makes 1 million dollars less than the man. I doubt that's just a fixed salary, so it's hard to say how damning it is. It also says that a spreadsheet from 2004 states that 85% of the top earners were men. This is unrelated to the pay gap argument. The rest of the article is fluff completely unrelated to the leak. I'm no surprised there were no ramifications from this. If this is all that was found, it pretty much says there's no or practically no pay gap at Sony.
- Thorrez 3y ago
  Here are a few more articles talking about actors/actresses' salaries (the second one is mostly reiterating the first): https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/12/sony-email-hack-jennifer-lawrence-paid-less-american-hustle https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/12/sony-email-hack... https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/may/28/george-clooney-sony-hack-exposed-gender-inequality-in-hollywood-pay https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/may/28/george-clooney-...
  - deadbeeves 3y ago
    I mean, it's hard to say whether two different actors really perform the same job; speaking for myself the only name I recognize in that article is Christian Bale's. Plus presumably they all have representatives that negotiate their cuts, so if they agreed to work for that amount, I don't think there's much room to complain. Finally, I can't really tell if there's a trend here. The article talks about the cases of three men and three women, where all three women are paid smaller cuts than the men, but is this the case for everyone else as well?

vidarh 3y ago

My personal mail is 10GB+ despite having moved providers in the last couple of years. 45GB can be a lot, or it can be a couple of people's worth of marketing presentations.