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https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4312813-elon-musk-facing-scrutiny-antisemitic-post/ https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4312813-elon-musk-facing-... When you

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4312813-elon-musk-facing-scrutiny-antisemitic-post/ https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4312813-elon-musk-facing-... When your owner reads the tweet " “I’m deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don’t exactly like them too much.”" and replies with, "You have said the actual truth." (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299) then your company has a problem if they seek to be an attractive platform for advertising. Most people understand and recognize troll behavior, and the frantic excuse making trolls make when they're exposed. The people that engage in this sort of behavior hate facing accountability for it, and make ridiculous excuses for it when caught. X has become what the owner wanted it to be, but that is just incompatible with what advertisers want to be associated with their brands. They have just made deliberate product decisions that appeal to a smaller - by dollar value, at least - target market.

gotoeleven 3y ago
Can someone explain what is the anti semitism here? The article says it is anti semitic because "The claim echoes false conspiracy theories that say Jews want to flood the country with minorities." But whats the conspiracy? Whats the theory? Its not a secret at all that western jewish people skew to the left and its also not a secret that left wingers are very much in favor of immigration of minorities. Is using the word "flood" anti semitic? Or "horde" ? Is it homophobic to point out that "Gays for Palestine" want to import people who would like to throw them off roofs? Is it misogynistic to point out that feminists want to import people that would force them to wear beekeepers outfits all day?
- ssklash 3y ago
  It's a white supremacist conspiracy theory called the great replacement. He's implying that the Jews are responsible for trying to bring in immigrants in order to dilute and destroy "the white race". He's also using somewhat oblique language in order to appeal to the right people who understand this crap, like Elon apparently.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    Is immigration the conspiracy? Is the objectionable part entirely in the unwritten subtext you are adding?
    - throwaway5752 3y ago
      Anyone can search for "Great Replacement Theory", which you'll frequently hear radicalized people refer to "White Genocide". Whether or not you believe in this, it was cited directly in the manifestos of * the Christchurch NZ shooter (https://www.start.umd.edu/news/new-zealand-terrorists-manifesto-look-some-key-narratives-beliefs-and-tropes https://www.start.umd.edu/news/new-zealand-terrorists-manife..., 51 dead, 40 injured) * the El Paso shooter (https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/the-manifesto-of-the-el-paso-terrorist/ https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/the-manifesto-of-the-..., 23 dead, 22 injured) * the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter (https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/10/28/analyzing-terrorists-social-media-manifesto-pittsburgh-synagogue-shooters-posts-gab https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/10/28/analyzing-ter..., 11 dead, 6 injured) * the Buffalo shooter (https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/buffaloshooting-onlineplatformsreport.pdf https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/buffaloshooting-online..., 10 dead, 3 injured) It is why the neonazis that marched in the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville VA 6 years ago chanted "You will not replace us. Jews will not replace us" and "Blood and Soil" (Blut und Boden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil) This is widely known and barely coded language. It is prominently supported and spread by people that X's owner had replied to retweeted previously, and repeatedly. This widely known, widely understood context informs the real meaning of this tweet.
      - s1artibartfast 3y ago
        When you say it is widely known, do you mean by a majority of the population, 10%, 1%, or 0.1%. Most of this seems very niche to me. Do you think there is any legitimate way to criticize racial hypocrisy of zionist organizations supporting a racial ethnostate? For what it is worth, I don't believe in any replacement conspiracy, especially not one carried out by a specific ethnic group. I have however seen groups like the ADL quickly characterize any opposition as racist. For example, they consider those that participate in BDS and refuse to purchase Israeli goods in their personal lives racist and support anti-BDS laws.
- asfbnionio 3y ago
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- cauch 3y ago
  I think that, for me, the red flags are within the reasoning "those people, because they are from those countries, are all a bunch of savages". It is quite clear that in democratic countries, there is a lot of people who would happily harm the jewish community if they were in position to make that happens, or who would happily throw gays off the roofs if they were in position to make that happens, or who would happily oppress women if they were in position to make that happens. This idea that immigration is obviously bringing "problematic barbarian people" is the problem: it implies that the commenter truly believes those people to be intrinsically inferior or intrinsically their enemy. This is especially stupid when such commenters end up explaining their political ideals in which there is as much barbaric treatment for people they don't like. This apparent contradiction disappears when you really understand the logic: the person is not against racism, the person is against racism toward them, but has nothing against racism when it's against people they don't like. The question is not about moral or justice, it is about the fight of two identical mentality, each one group hating the other group, saying "I will do fundamentally the same things as them, but I'm better than them because my group is better and their group sucks".
ReptileMan 3y ago
Didn't the anti israel/pro hamas demonstrations all across western europe kinda give merit to that statement. A lot of the people there were recent (1-2 generation) migrants into Europe. Or what is happening in US academia?
- throwaway5752 3y ago
  No, since the premise is invalid. There is not a Jewish conspiracy to increase US immigration in the first place. Since the premise is false, all the points build upon that are meaningless. It's a fairly basic attempt to divide people, is all. It works on impressionable and less intelligent people. Divided people are easier to control and manipulate.
  - ReptileMan 3y ago
    Yeah but no. Please literally read the text you quoted - there are a lot of prominent Jewish voices that are big in the SJW space - pro immigration etc. The whole nine yards. And suddenly they are surprised when their space erupts with antisemitic fervor not seen since WWII they suddenly act like surprised pikachus. And of course those specific sjw don't deserve a shred of sympathy. Because when the other jews - like the Hassidim and orthodox were paying the price they were virtue signaling.

gotoeleven 3y ago

Can someone explain what is the anti semitism here? The article says it is anti semitic because "The claim echoes false conspiracy theories that say Jews want to flood the country with minorities." But whats the conspiracy? Whats the theory? Its not a secret at all that western jewish people skew to the left and its also not a secret that left wingers are very much in favor of immigration of minorities. Is using the word "flood" anti semitic? Or "horde" ? Is it homophobic to point out that "Gays for Palestine" want to import people who would like to throw them off roofs? Is it misogynistic to point out that feminists want to import people that would force them to wear beekeepers outfits all day?

ssklash 3y ago
It's a white supremacist conspiracy theory called the great replacement. He's implying that the Jews are responsible for trying to bring in immigrants in order to dilute and destroy "the white race". He's also using somewhat oblique language in order to appeal to the right people who understand this crap, like Elon apparently.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  Is immigration the conspiracy? Is the objectionable part entirely in the unwritten subtext you are adding?
  - throwaway5752 3y ago
    Anyone can search for "Great Replacement Theory", which you'll frequently hear radicalized people refer to "White Genocide". Whether or not you believe in this, it was cited directly in the manifestos of * the Christchurch NZ shooter (https://www.start.umd.edu/news/new-zealand-terrorists-manifesto-look-some-key-narratives-beliefs-and-tropes https://www.start.umd.edu/news/new-zealand-terrorists-manife..., 51 dead, 40 injured) * the El Paso shooter (https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/the-manifesto-of-the-el-paso-terrorist/ https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/the-manifesto-of-the-..., 23 dead, 22 injured) * the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter (https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/10/28/analyzing-terrorists-social-media-manifesto-pittsburgh-synagogue-shooters-posts-gab https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/10/28/analyzing-ter..., 11 dead, 6 injured) * the Buffalo shooter (https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/buffaloshooting-onlineplatformsreport.pdf https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/buffaloshooting-online..., 10 dead, 3 injured) It is why the neonazis that marched in the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville VA 6 years ago chanted "You will not replace us. Jews will not replace us" and "Blood and Soil" (Blut und Boden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil) This is widely known and barely coded language. It is prominently supported and spread by people that X's owner had replied to retweeted previously, and repeatedly. This widely known, widely understood context informs the real meaning of this tweet.
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      When you say it is widely known, do you mean by a majority of the population, 10%, 1%, or 0.1%. Most of this seems very niche to me. Do you think there is any legitimate way to criticize racial hypocrisy of zionist organizations supporting a racial ethnostate? For what it is worth, I don't believe in any replacement conspiracy, especially not one carried out by a specific ethnic group. I have however seen groups like the ADL quickly characterize any opposition as racist. For example, they consider those that participate in BDS and refuse to purchase Israeli goods in their personal lives racist and support anti-BDS laws.
asfbnionio 3y ago
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cauch 3y ago
I think that, for me, the red flags are within the reasoning "those people, because they are from those countries, are all a bunch of savages". It is quite clear that in democratic countries, there is a lot of people who would happily harm the jewish community if they were in position to make that happens, or who would happily throw gays off the roofs if they were in position to make that happens, or who would happily oppress women if they were in position to make that happens. This idea that immigration is obviously bringing "problematic barbarian people" is the problem: it implies that the commenter truly believes those people to be intrinsically inferior or intrinsically their enemy. This is especially stupid when such commenters end up explaining their political ideals in which there is as much barbaric treatment for people they don't like. This apparent contradiction disappears when you really understand the logic: the person is not against racism, the person is against racism toward them, but has nothing against racism when it's against people they don't like. The question is not about moral or justice, it is about the fight of two identical mentality, each one group hating the other group, saying "I will do fundamentally the same things as them, but I'm better than them because my group is better and their group sucks".

ReptileMan 3y ago

Didn't the anti israel/pro hamas demonstrations all across western europe kinda give merit to that statement. A lot of the people there were recent (1-2 generation) migrants into Europe. Or what is happening in US academia?

throwaway5752 3y ago
No, since the premise is invalid. There is not a Jewish conspiracy to increase US immigration in the first place. Since the premise is false, all the points build upon that are meaningless. It's a fairly basic attempt to divide people, is all. It works on impressionable and less intelligent people. Divided people are easier to control and manipulate.
- ReptileMan 3y ago
  Yeah but no. Please literally read the text you quoted - there are a lot of prominent Jewish voices that are big in the SJW space - pro immigration etc. The whole nine yards. And suddenly they are surprised when their space erupts with antisemitic fervor not seen since WWII they suddenly act like surprised pikachus. And of course those specific sjw don't deserve a shred of sympathy. Because when the other jews - like the Hassidim and orthodox were paying the price they were virtue signaling.