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I don't grok the original tweet very well, and I don't understand what Musk means by his reply. Can someone ELI5?

by elwell 3y ago

stcredzero 3y ago
Musk doesn't like the ADL. Media are spinning this as "anti-semitic," hoping the emotions around the issues will prevent most people from reading carefully.
- Forgeties79 3y ago
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  - stcredzero 3y ago
    Wait just a minute here: > The tweet literally blames immigrants I'm not familiar with the tweet Musk was referencing. Exactly which immigrants? Are these Jewish immigrants? I thought this was a reference to mostly non-Jewish immigrants to Israel. > I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much. You want truth said to your face, there it is. This also indicates the immigrants are non-Jewish. Exactly what is the "anti-semitism" here? This is flagrantly antisemitic and pushes multiple bigoted conspiracy theories. What conspiracy theory, exactly?
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    - xdennis 3y ago
      The conspiracy theory is that Jews are in charge of the world and control things like who gets to immigrate to the USA. The argument he's making (which I've seen more openly stated in other places) is: "Jews don't like it that minorities are killing them in their country, but that's just deserts for them pushing immigrants to my country". Antisemites are more coy on popular platforms like Twitter so it's more difficult to understand what they're saying if you're not already familiar with their world view.
tstrimple 3y ago
Essentially Jewish folk are treating white people like the Jews have been treated throughout history and the suffering Jews are experiencing is a result of letting in "hordes of minorities". It's just typical antisemitic nonsense.
- p1esk 3y ago
  I don’t get it - aren’t Jews considered white?
  - polygamous_bat 3y ago
    I assume ADL considers “white” an euphemism for “Aryans”, in this case.
  - tstrimple 3y ago
    It's complicated. Here's a good breakdown with modern flavor. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/are-jews-white/509453/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/are-jew... > "From the earliest days of the American republic, Jews were technically considered white, at least in a legal sense. Under the Naturalization Act of 1790, they were considered among the “free white persons” who could become citizens. Later laws limited the number of immigrants from certain countries, restrictions which were in part targeted at Jews. But unlike Asian and African immigrants in the late 19th century, Jews retained a claim to being “Caucasian,” meaning they could win full citizenship status based on their putative race." > "Culturally, though, the racial status of Jews was much more ambiguous. Especially during the peak of Jewish immigration from Eastern Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, many Jews lived in tightly knit urban communities that were distinctly marked as separate from other American cultures: They spoke Yiddish, they published their own newspapers, they followed their own schedule of holidays and celebrations. Those boundaries were further enforced by widespread anti-Semitism: Jews were often excluded from taking certain jobs, joining certain clubs, or moving into certain neighborhoods. Insofar as “whiteness” represents acceptance in America’s dominant culture, Jews were not yet white." From a white supremacist point of view, Jews are "faux whites" and not part of "white culture" that they claim to want to protect.
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I don't grok the original tweet very well, and I don't understand what Musk means by his reply. Can someone ELI5?

by elwell 3y ago

I don't grok the original tweet very well, and I don't understand what Musk means by his reply. Can someone ELI5?

Musk doesn't like the ADL. Media are spinning this as "anti-semitic," hoping the emotions around the issues will prevent most people from reading carefully.

Forgeties79 3y ago
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- stcredzero 3y ago
  Wait just a minute here: > The tweet literally blames immigrants I'm not familiar with the tweet Musk was referencing. Exactly which immigrants? Are these Jewish immigrants? I thought this was a reference to mostly non-Jewish immigrants to Israel. > I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much. You want truth said to your face, there it is. This also indicates the immigrants are non-Jewish. Exactly what is the "anti-semitism" here? This is flagrantly antisemitic and pushes multiple bigoted conspiracy theories. What conspiracy theory, exactly?
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  - xdennis 3y ago
    The conspiracy theory is that Jews are in charge of the world and control things like who gets to immigrate to the USA. The argument he's making (which I've seen more openly stated in other places) is: "Jews don't like it that minorities are killing them in their country, but that's just deserts for them pushing immigrants to my country". Antisemites are more coy on popular platforms like Twitter so it's more difficult to understand what they're saying if you're not already familiar with their world view.

tstrimple 3y ago

Essentially Jewish folk are treating white people like the Jews have been treated throughout history and the suffering Jews are experiencing is a result of letting in "hordes of minorities". It's just typical antisemitic nonsense.

p1esk 3y ago
I don’t get it - aren’t Jews considered white?
- polygamous_bat 3y ago
  I assume ADL considers “white” an euphemism for “Aryans”, in this case.
- tstrimple 3y ago
  It's complicated. Here's a good breakdown with modern flavor. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/are-jews-white/509453/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/are-jew... > "From the earliest days of the American republic, Jews were technically considered white, at least in a legal sense. Under the Naturalization Act of 1790, they were considered among the “free white persons” who could become citizens. Later laws limited the number of immigrants from certain countries, restrictions which were in part targeted at Jews. But unlike Asian and African immigrants in the late 19th century, Jews retained a claim to being “Caucasian,” meaning they could win full citizenship status based on their putative race." > "Culturally, though, the racial status of Jews was much more ambiguous. Especially during the peak of Jewish immigration from Eastern Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, many Jews lived in tightly knit urban communities that were distinctly marked as separate from other American cultures: They spoke Yiddish, they published their own newspapers, they followed their own schedule of holidays and celebrations. Those boundaries were further enforced by widespread anti-Semitism: Jews were often excluded from taking certain jobs, joining certain clubs, or moving into certain neighborhoods. Insofar as “whiteness” represents acceptance in America’s dominant culture, Jews were not yet white." From a white supremacist point of view, Jews are "faux whites" and not part of "white culture" that they claim to want to protect.
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