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It's not. Delta shows me that there is 1 seat available at this price. Here are the screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/X923fSo https://imgur.com/a/X923fSo

alwa 3y ago
To be fair, you can still purchase the ticket at the advertised price without selecting a specific “preferred” seat. They’ll give you a seat assignment at checkin or at the gate (usually one of those “preferred” ones). That said, the fact that this situation is unsurprising to me is itself probably evidence of the communication problem. Google could do a clearer job of qualifying the “free seat selection” they falsely promise for that fare, and Delta could do a much better job of saying “there are only paid seats left, but if you don’t want to buy one, you’ll still get one at the airport.” I feel like JetBlue used to do a good job with that.
- steveBK123 3y ago
  I think in his case it's actually a legit website bug/issue. If you try to click through without choosing a seat it doesn't actually work on this particular sales funnel and pops up an error. My suspicion its something to do with it being a very close in flight (2 hours to takeoff). So you have selected a fare with seat selection included, but there are no seats actually left .. maybe some cache isn't updating at minute level frequency.
pxx 3y ago
You don't have to select a seat. Your screenshots (specifically the last one) indicate the product you want to buy is available at the price you want.
- hanzmanner 3y ago
  What product do you think I am buying? A promise that they might find a seat for me if I show up at the airport? It puzzles me how many people at HN are so eager to defend dark patterns. If you look at the screenshots with more attention: 1. Google tells me that the free seat selection is included 2. Delta tells me that if I agree to this price, I will be able to reserve the last available seat on the flight (for this price) 3. Once I confirm the price, Delta tells me that I can’t select the seat, it’s not available. I can still buy the ticket, but the offer has changed. Sure, since clearly I need to get on this flight (booking it last minute) - I would rather pay a bit more to make sure I do have a seat. This is what dark patterns are all about. How is that so hard to understand?
  - pxx 3y ago
    Because this isn't a dark pattern??? The alternative is you not being able to buy this product, which is much worse! This fare comes with preselection over a limited set of seats. There are no more seats available for preselection in that set. If seats were available you would have been allowed to select them; otherwise, you will be assigned one at the gate. It is very unlikely that you will be involuntarily denied boarding, and you can be denied boarding in the event of an oversale even if you have an assigned seat. Note: your fare never indicates that you are buying a particular seat. Please read your contract of carriage closely. Maybe this part (not the offering of the ticket you're complaining about!) is a "dark pattern" (nobody reads the contract of carriage) but it's just literally how airline tickets have always worked.
    - hanzmanner 3y ago
      Wow, ok. You think there is nothing wrong with the airline telling me that 1 seat is available on one screen and then telling me that there are no seats available unless I pay more on the next screen? (If I go back to the previous screen it still tells me that 1 seat is available.) The alternative to this is that when I compare prices of different flights I see the correct full offer for the price I want to pay. This flight is not the only available flight. I would have chosen a different flight on Google Flights if I had known that there are no seats available at this price. But now I am 10 minutes into the process and just want to be done. What is a dark pattern by your definition? A literal picture of a pattern colored dark gray?
      - woobar 3y ago
        > airline telling me that 1 seat is available on one screen and then telling me that there are no seats available unless I pay more on the next screen? This is a misunderstanding. Airline does not tell that you need to pay more. You can click on Continue button and complete the purchase. Even the popup you have shared tells you exactly this.
        hanzmanner 3y ago

alwa 3y ago

To be fair, you can still purchase the ticket at the advertised price without selecting a specific “preferred” seat. They’ll give you a seat assignment at checkin or at the gate (usually one of those “preferred” ones). That said, the fact that this situation is unsurprising to me is itself probably evidence of the communication problem. Google could do a clearer job of qualifying the “free seat selection” they falsely promise for that fare, and Delta could do a much better job of saying “there are only paid seats left, but if you don’t want to buy one, you’ll still get one at the airport.” I feel like JetBlue used to do a good job with that.

steveBK123 3y ago
I think in his case it's actually a legit website bug/issue. If you try to click through without choosing a seat it doesn't actually work on this particular sales funnel and pops up an error. My suspicion its something to do with it being a very close in flight (2 hours to takeoff). So you have selected a fare with seat selection included, but there are no seats actually left .. maybe some cache isn't updating at minute level frequency.

pxx 3y ago

You don't have to select a seat. Your screenshots (specifically the last one) indicate the product you want to buy is available at the price you want.

hanzmanner 3y ago
What product do you think I am buying? A promise that they might find a seat for me if I show up at the airport? It puzzles me how many people at HN are so eager to defend dark patterns. If you look at the screenshots with more attention: 1. Google tells me that the free seat selection is included 2. Delta tells me that if I agree to this price, I will be able to reserve the last available seat on the flight (for this price) 3. Once I confirm the price, Delta tells me that I can’t select the seat, it’s not available. I can still buy the ticket, but the offer has changed. Sure, since clearly I need to get on this flight (booking it last minute) - I would rather pay a bit more to make sure I do have a seat. This is what dark patterns are all about. How is that so hard to understand?
- pxx 3y ago
  Because this isn't a dark pattern??? The alternative is you not being able to buy this product, which is much worse! This fare comes with preselection over a limited set of seats. There are no more seats available for preselection in that set. If seats were available you would have been allowed to select them; otherwise, you will be assigned one at the gate. It is very unlikely that you will be involuntarily denied boarding, and you can be denied boarding in the event of an oversale even if you have an assigned seat. Note: your fare never indicates that you are buying a particular seat. Please read your contract of carriage closely. Maybe this part (not the offering of the ticket you're complaining about!) is a "dark pattern" (nobody reads the contract of carriage) but it's just literally how airline tickets have always worked.
  - hanzmanner 3y ago
    Wow, ok. You think there is nothing wrong with the airline telling me that 1 seat is available on one screen and then telling me that there are no seats available unless I pay more on the next screen? (If I go back to the previous screen it still tells me that 1 seat is available.) The alternative to this is that when I compare prices of different flights I see the correct full offer for the price I want to pay. This flight is not the only available flight. I would have chosen a different flight on Google Flights if I had known that there are no seats available at this price. But now I am 10 minutes into the process and just want to be done. What is a dark pattern by your definition? A literal picture of a pattern colored dark gray?
    - woobar 3y ago
      > airline telling me that 1 seat is available on one screen and then telling me that there are no seats available unless I pay more on the next screen? This is a misunderstanding. Airline does not tell that you need to pay more. You can click on Continue button and complete the purchase. Even the popup you have shared tells you exactly this.
      - hanzmanner 3y ago