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> we could probably get rid of >50% of all cars on the road I've seen this argument before but it doesn't make sense to me. In some subset of situations, yes,

> we could probably get rid of >50% of all cars on the road I've seen this argument before but it doesn't make sense to me. In some subset of situations, yes, this would be the case. But 8-9a or 5-6p there is a surge of demand in every major metro in America. Developing self driving cars is not a fruitful endeavor IMO. We need to push alternative modes of transportation (transit, e-bikes, etc) which are way, way more efficient and cost effective.

dventimi 3y ago
What do you mean "we"? Push for alternative modes of transportation to the complete exclusion of autonomous vehicles if you like. Personally, I like autonomous vehicle and will continue to advocate for them.
mullingitover 3y ago
> Developing self driving cars is not a fruitful endeavor IMO. We need to push alternative modes of transportation (transit, e-bikes, etc) which are way, way more efficient and cost effective. The US is incapable of building cost-effective heavy transit though. Just building a few miles of subway in the LA metro area, for example, costs on the order of double digit billions and takes a decade plus. In huge areas of the country where it's snowy in the winter, e-bikes are a non-starter. I'm not saying every self-driving vehicle needs to be a single occupancy car. We could have fleets of self-driving minivans that are somewhere between buses and cars that can move the dramatically more people than solo drivers. Even self-driving buses would be a win, a very big chunk of the operating expenses of public bus fleets is the payroll for drivers.
- webdood90 3y ago
  > a few miles of subway in the LA metro area, for example, costs on the order of double digit billions and takes a decade plus Then don't build trains - busses work fine. > In huge areas of the country where it's snowy in the winter, e-bikes are a non-starter I live in Denver - it's fine. I don't hear feasibility concerns in your arguments - I hear convenience concerns. How I interpret this is that you, and many other people in the world, prioritize convenience above all else. I understand why, but we must come to the realization that we're taking the side of convenience over everything else: decrease in safety, increased electrical consumption, increased congestion, increased pollution, increased noise, etc.

dventimi 3y ago

What do you mean "we"? Push for alternative modes of transportation to the complete exclusion of autonomous vehicles if you like. Personally, I like autonomous vehicle and will continue to advocate for them.

mullingitover 3y ago

> Developing self driving cars is not a fruitful endeavor IMO. We need to push alternative modes of transportation (transit, e-bikes, etc) which are way, way more efficient and cost effective. The US is incapable of building cost-effective heavy transit though. Just building a few miles of subway in the LA metro area, for example, costs on the order of double digit billions and takes a decade plus. In huge areas of the country where it's snowy in the winter, e-bikes are a non-starter. I'm not saying every self-driving vehicle needs to be a single occupancy car. We could have fleets of self-driving minivans that are somewhere between buses and cars that can move the dramatically more people than solo drivers. Even self-driving buses would be a win, a very big chunk of the operating expenses of public bus fleets is the payroll for drivers.

webdood90 3y ago
> a few miles of subway in the LA metro area, for example, costs on the order of double digit billions and takes a decade plus Then don't build trains - busses work fine. > In huge areas of the country where it's snowy in the winter, e-bikes are a non-starter I live in Denver - it's fine. I don't hear feasibility concerns in your arguments - I hear convenience concerns. How I interpret this is that you, and many other people in the world, prioritize convenience above all else. I understand why, but we must come to the realization that we're taking the side of convenience over everything else: decrease in safety, increased electrical consumption, increased congestion, increased pollution, increased noise, etc.