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"There is talk that OpenAI might completely disintegrate as a result, that ChatGPT might not work a few days from now, and so on." Oh damn! While this seems wi

"There is talk that OpenAI might completely disintegrate as a result, that ChatGPT might not work a few days from now, and so on." Oh damn! While this seems wildly unlikely, I can imagine this scenario and think it would have huge implications.

tsunamifury 3y ago
Why is it wildly unlikely 5/7ths of the company may resign and the ceo they pissed Off controls their services. It’s more than likely.
- shmatt 3y ago
  Im far from a Musk fan but Xitter is still online Big difference between how do we develop GPT-5 and can we keep our current model online
- josh_carterPDX 3y ago
  You're right. It totally could happen. I'm just saying it doesn't sound like this is the path they could take. Though I've been wrong before. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- bitcurious 3y ago
  It's unlikely that 5/7th of the employees of OpenAI have even had a real conversation with Sam Altman. That's a lot of fucking people, for a young and hyper-active company and a very busy CEO. Given that, I consider it unlikely that 5/7th of those employees would put their livelihood at risk to protect Sam.
  - brigadier132 3y ago
    Microsoft has given every OpenAI employee a job offer. Also it's 700/770 employees that have signed the letter stating they will leave now, not 5/7s. Those 70 holdouts are probably on vacation.
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - bitcurious 3y ago
      I suppose if they have credible offers that changes the calculus.
  - tsunamifury 3y ago
    Uh … at risk? You mean staying an OpenAI is a sure thing? I feel like you don’t understand the scenario they are facing at all.
- pastor_bob 3y ago
  Nobody is resigning and giving up their openai shares to go be a cubicle wage worker at Micro$oft
  - josh_carterPDX 3y ago
    I thought this as well. However, this team could be given the option to be completely remote. And if they're given equal shares of $MSFT it could be compelling. The trajectory OpenAI is taking means the stock could go the way of WeWork and be worthless in the coming years. Of course, all of this is speculation and the only people who know what's going on are the board and their new CEO. There could be a scenario that this stabilizes and everything will be ok.
naiv 3y ago
I found this very concerning: https://twitter.com/OfficialLoganK/status/1726631481403941107 https://twitter.com/OfficialLoganK/status/172663148140394110... "Our engineering team remains on-call and actively monitoring our services." So they did actually completely stop working and nobody is at the office anymore?
- leoc 3y ago
  https://chat.openai.com https://chat.openai.com was definitely down for me (a free-tier user in the EU) for a while today. Now it seems to be back up, but now there's a waitlist for the paid "Plus" membership which gives access to ChatGPT 4. "Due to high demand, we've temporarily paused upgrades." displays on mouseover. [UPDATE: the pause on Plus signups was actually preannounced on the 15th, https://twitter.com/sama/status/1724626002595471740 https://twitter.com/sama/status/1724626002595471740 by Altman himself: thanks to naiv for this.] But maybe these are things which have happened sporadically in the recent past, too? And by Barnum's Law I imagine it quite possible that the controversy has generated a surge of rubberneckers, maybe even more would-be subscribers. While we're looking at straws in the wind, I might as well add that the EU terms of use received some changes on the 14th of this month, though they won't become active until the 14th of December: https://openai.com/policies/eu-terms-of-use https://openai.com/policies/eu-terms-of-use https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8541941-terms-of-use-updates https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8541941-terms-of-use-upd... . It's not a completely de minimis update, but I can't say more than that. [EDIT: Unrelated to outages, here's another thing to consider if you're trying to read the signs: https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=38353898 https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=38353898 .]
  - naiv 3y ago
    the pause on sign ups was actually announced last week: https://twitter.com/sama/status/1724626002595471740 https://twitter.com/sama/status/1724626002595471740
    - leoc 3y ago
      Thanks!
LetsGetTechnicl 3y ago
ChatGPT going offline sounds like a win to me
gumballindie 3y ago
These folks are apparently super prone to fears of all sorts - ai, lack ai, chat bots, lack of chatgpts. I sense paranoia.

tsunamifury 3y ago

Why is it wildly unlikely 5/7ths of the company may resign and the ceo they pissed Off controls their services. It’s more than likely.

shmatt 3y ago
Im far from a Musk fan but Xitter is still online Big difference between how do we develop GPT-5 and can we keep our current model online
josh_carterPDX 3y ago
You're right. It totally could happen. I'm just saying it doesn't sound like this is the path they could take. Though I've been wrong before. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
bitcurious 3y ago
It's unlikely that 5/7th of the employees of OpenAI have even had a real conversation with Sam Altman. That's a lot of fucking people, for a young and hyper-active company and a very busy CEO. Given that, I consider it unlikely that 5/7th of those employees would put their livelihood at risk to protect Sam.
- brigadier132 3y ago
  Microsoft has given every OpenAI employee a job offer. Also it's 700/770 employees that have signed the letter stating they will leave now, not 5/7s. Those 70 holdouts are probably on vacation.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - bitcurious 3y ago
    I suppose if they have credible offers that changes the calculus.
- tsunamifury 3y ago
  Uh … at risk? You mean staying an OpenAI is a sure thing? I feel like you don’t understand the scenario they are facing at all.
pastor_bob 3y ago
Nobody is resigning and giving up their openai shares to go be a cubicle wage worker at Micro$oft
- josh_carterPDX 3y ago
  I thought this as well. However, this team could be given the option to be completely remote. And if they're given equal shares of $MSFT it could be compelling. The trajectory OpenAI is taking means the stock could go the way of WeWork and be worthless in the coming years. Of course, all of this is speculation and the only people who know what's going on are the board and their new CEO. There could be a scenario that this stabilizes and everything will be ok.

naiv 3y ago

I found this very concerning: https://twitter.com/OfficialLoganK/status/1726631481403941107 https://twitter.com/OfficialLoganK/status/172663148140394110... "Our engineering team remains on-call and actively monitoring our services." So they did actually completely stop working and nobody is at the office anymore?

leoc 3y ago
https://chat.openai.com https://chat.openai.com was definitely down for me (a free-tier user in the EU) for a while today. Now it seems to be back up, but now there's a waitlist for the paid "Plus" membership which gives access to ChatGPT 4. "Due to high demand, we've temporarily paused upgrades." displays on mouseover. [UPDATE: the pause on Plus signups was actually preannounced on the 15th, https://twitter.com/sama/status/1724626002595471740 https://twitter.com/sama/status/1724626002595471740 by Altman himself: thanks to naiv for this.] But maybe these are things which have happened sporadically in the recent past, too? And by Barnum's Law I imagine it quite possible that the controversy has generated a surge of rubberneckers, maybe even more would-be subscribers. While we're looking at straws in the wind, I might as well add that the EU terms of use received some changes on the 14th of this month, though they won't become active until the 14th of December: https://openai.com/policies/eu-terms-of-use https://openai.com/policies/eu-terms-of-use https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8541941-terms-of-use-updates https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8541941-terms-of-use-upd... . It's not a completely de minimis update, but I can't say more than that. [EDIT: Unrelated to outages, here's another thing to consider if you're trying to read the signs: https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=38353898 https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=38353898 .]
- naiv 3y ago
  the pause on sign ups was actually announced last week: https://twitter.com/sama/status/1724626002595471740 https://twitter.com/sama/status/1724626002595471740
  - leoc 3y ago
    Thanks!

LetsGetTechnicl 3y ago

ChatGPT going offline sounds like a win to me

gumballindie 3y ago

These folks are apparently super prone to fears of all sorts - ai, lack ai, chat bots, lack of chatgpts. I sense paranoia.