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If I knew that I'd never be out on the streets no matter how bad things got, because I at least have the money to pay rent and buy food, there's no chance I'm w

If I knew that I'd never be out on the streets no matter how bad things got, because I at least have the money to pay rent and buy food, there's no chance I'm working anything but BS jobs for random spending money. p=1, but still, I doubt I'm that unique. My job is difficult and takes a lot of work to get the skills necessary to do it. Who's going to take over my job? Probably nobody, but that's just my (extremely uneducated) guess.

lapcat 3y ago
> If I knew that I'd never be out on the streets no matter how bad things got, because I at least have the money to pay rent and buy food, there's no chance I'm working anything but BS jobs for random spending money. p=1, but still, I doubt I'm that unique. You can already do that. Are you claiming that the only reason you have your current job is to avoid the remote possibility of being out on the streets?
- gruez 3y ago
  >Are you claiming that the only reason you have your current job is to avoid the remote possibility of being out on the streets? Being "out on the streets" because you don't have a job is hardly a "remote possibility". It's a virtual certainly unless you have a massive cash hoard built up.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    > Being "out on the streets" because you don't have a job is hardly a "remote possibility". It's a virtual certainly unless you have a massive cash hoard built up. It's not a virtual certainty. Not even close. The rate of homelessness in the US in 2022 was 0.18%. https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homelessness-statistics/state-of-homelessness/ https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homeless... Few people have a "massive cash hoard" built up, yet lots of people lose their jobs. And if you're willing to work "BS jobs for random spending money", as the OP said, then you probably won't remain unemployed for long.
    - gruez 3y ago
      >It's not a virtual certainty. Not even close. The rate of homelessness in the US in 2022 was 0.18%. https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homeless https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homeless... I don't get it. Is your argument that because the homeless rate is 0.18% in the US, that if you had no income and drained your savings, that the probability of you ending up on the streets is minuscule? How do you think you'll acquire housing if you don't have any money? >And if you're willing to work "BS jobs for random spending money", as the OP said Are we reading the same comment? Here's his previous comment: >there's no chance I'm working anything but BS jobs for random spending money
      - lapcat 3y ago
        > I don't get it. Is your argument that because the homeless rate is 0.18% in the US, that if you had no income and drained your savings, that the probability of you ending up on the streets is minuscule? How do you think you'll acquire housing if you don't have any money? My argument is simple: 1) Few people in the US have a massive cash hoard built up. "57% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency expense" https://finance.yahoo.com/news/57-americans-t-afford-1-195843284.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/57-americans-t-afford-1-19584... 2) Lots of people lose their jobs every year, via firings, layoffs, quitting, companies going out of business, etc. 3) Nonetheless, the rate of homelessness is only 0.18% 4) Thus, homelessness is not a virtual certainty if you lose your job. People almost always find a way to avoid homelessness, typically by finding a new job. > Are we reading the same comment? Yes, your quotation is accurate.
        gruez 3y ago
        >4) Thus, homelessness is not a virtual certainty if you lose your job. >People almost always find a way to avoid homelessness, typically by finding a new job. So you're basically agreeing with the original commenter? I read his comment as basically saying the only reason he works at his job is to keep a roof over his head, and that if you don't work you'll eventually be homeless. He's not claiming that getting fired means you're going to be homeless.
- kulahan 3y ago
  You know how people have a weight their body likes to sit at? As you eat less, some processes will slow down to maintain that caloric intake level; as you eat more, they'll kick up. I'm basically claiming I'm like that. I'm only doing what's necessary to get my paycheck. Obviously I don't pick the laziest, lowest-income job that I can find. I wouldn't be able to quickly save for retirement that way. But yes, I pick my jobs almost exclusively to support my not-working hours.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    > Obviously I don't pick the laziest, lowest-income job that I can find. How is that obvious when you literally said, "there's no chance I'm working anything but BS jobs for random spending money"? > I wouldn't be able to quickly save for retirement that way. This is precisely my point. You didn't choose your job simply to avoid homelessness; it has nothing to do with homelessness, as you now admit. You chose your job to maximize your income.
shuntress 3y ago
You need to find a better job. I wouldn't do my job without pay but I would do it even if my food & shelter expenses were covered by the state.
- kulahan 3y ago
  You need to find a better hobby. Going to meetings, filling out time cards, watching HR training videos, attending post-mortems with scrum masters who have no idea what a "point" is in agile, and having to wake up earlier than I want for work are absolutely not things I enjoy. Obviously I'd still code, it'd just be random fun stuff, whenever I feel like contributing, until some other hobby demands my attention. Within the structure of employment, even fun work tasks can become tiresome.
  - shuntress 3y ago
    I already have too many hobbies. My job doesn't really involve those annoyances. Obviously I have some meetings and things that aren't really super engaging. But I enjoy what I do, I like everyone I work with, and I have a good work-life balance.

lapcat 3y ago

> If I knew that I'd never be out on the streets no matter how bad things got, because I at least have the money to pay rent and buy food, there's no chance I'm working anything but BS jobs for random spending money. p=1, but still, I doubt I'm that unique. You can already do that. Are you claiming that the only reason you have your current job is to avoid the remote possibility of being out on the streets?

gruez 3y ago
>Are you claiming that the only reason you have your current job is to avoid the remote possibility of being out on the streets? Being "out on the streets" because you don't have a job is hardly a "remote possibility". It's a virtual certainly unless you have a massive cash hoard built up.
- lapcat 3y ago
  > Being "out on the streets" because you don't have a job is hardly a "remote possibility". It's a virtual certainly unless you have a massive cash hoard built up. It's not a virtual certainty. Not even close. The rate of homelessness in the US in 2022 was 0.18%. https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homelessness-statistics/state-of-homelessness/ https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homeless... Few people have a "massive cash hoard" built up, yet lots of people lose their jobs. And if you're willing to work "BS jobs for random spending money", as the OP said, then you probably won't remain unemployed for long.
  - gruez 3y ago
    >It's not a virtual certainty. Not even close. The rate of homelessness in the US in 2022 was 0.18%. https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homeless https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homeless... I don't get it. Is your argument that because the homeless rate is 0.18% in the US, that if you had no income and drained your savings, that the probability of you ending up on the streets is minuscule? How do you think you'll acquire housing if you don't have any money? >And if you're willing to work "BS jobs for random spending money", as the OP said Are we reading the same comment? Here's his previous comment: >there's no chance I'm working anything but BS jobs for random spending money
    - lapcat 3y ago
      > I don't get it. Is your argument that because the homeless rate is 0.18% in the US, that if you had no income and drained your savings, that the probability of you ending up on the streets is minuscule? How do you think you'll acquire housing if you don't have any money? My argument is simple: 1) Few people in the US have a massive cash hoard built up. "57% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency expense" https://finance.yahoo.com/news/57-americans-t-afford-1-195843284.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/57-americans-t-afford-1-19584... 2) Lots of people lose their jobs every year, via firings, layoffs, quitting, companies going out of business, etc. 3) Nonetheless, the rate of homelessness is only 0.18% 4) Thus, homelessness is not a virtual certainty if you lose your job. People almost always find a way to avoid homelessness, typically by finding a new job. > Are we reading the same comment? Yes, your quotation is accurate.
      - gruez 3y ago
        >4) Thus, homelessness is not a virtual certainty if you lose your job. >People almost always find a way to avoid homelessness, typically by finding a new job. So you're basically agreeing with the original commenter? I read his comment as basically saying the only reason he works at his job is to keep a roof over his head, and that if you don't work you'll eventually be homeless. He's not claiming that getting fired means you're going to be homeless.
kulahan 3y ago
You know how people have a weight their body likes to sit at? As you eat less, some processes will slow down to maintain that caloric intake level; as you eat more, they'll kick up. I'm basically claiming I'm like that. I'm only doing what's necessary to get my paycheck. Obviously I don't pick the laziest, lowest-income job that I can find. I wouldn't be able to quickly save for retirement that way. But yes, I pick my jobs almost exclusively to support my not-working hours.
- lapcat 3y ago
  > Obviously I don't pick the laziest, lowest-income job that I can find. How is that obvious when you literally said, "there's no chance I'm working anything but BS jobs for random spending money"? > I wouldn't be able to quickly save for retirement that way. This is precisely my point. You didn't choose your job simply to avoid homelessness; it has nothing to do with homelessness, as you now admit. You chose your job to maximize your income.

shuntress 3y ago

You need to find a better job. I wouldn't do my job without pay but I would do it even if my food & shelter expenses were covered by the state.

kulahan 3y ago
You need to find a better hobby. Going to meetings, filling out time cards, watching HR training videos, attending post-mortems with scrum masters who have no idea what a "point" is in agile, and having to wake up earlier than I want for work are absolutely not things I enjoy. Obviously I'd still code, it'd just be random fun stuff, whenever I feel like contributing, until some other hobby demands my attention. Within the structure of employment, even fun work tasks can become tiresome.
- shuntress 3y ago
  I already have too many hobbies. My job doesn't really involve those annoyances. Obviously I have some meetings and things that aren't really super engaging. But I enjoy what I do, I like everyone I work with, and I have a good work-life balance.