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RSS died (kinda) not because of Google Reader but because of Google Chrome. When Chrome came out and everyone jumped ship, all other browsers natively supported

RSS died (kinda) not because of Google Reader but because of Google Chrome. When Chrome came out and everyone jumped ship, all other browsers natively supported reading RSS which chrome still does not do to this date. Chrome still shows RSS as raw XML instead of making it readable.

advisedwang 3y ago
IE had ~50% of the market before chrome [1], and I don't believe it supported native RSS. I'm also skeptical that many Firefox users were viewing RSS directly in the browser. Yes, Firefox shows the feed, but without subscriptions and a central place to find updates it was not really a good feed reader. [1] https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/ https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/
- smusamashah 3y ago
  I was not including IE in those browsers TBH, it was never a good browser anyway. I have been an Opera/Firefox user before chrome came in. Both had native RSS support. Even showing RSS symbol in URL when its available and being able to actually read it humanly is way better than chrome's nothing.
- WorldMaker 3y ago
  IE had "native RSS" going back to somewhere around IE4 or IE5. There was some "Active Desktop" nonsense you could do with RSS really early on, which would have been IE4. IE's approach was very similar to Firefox's: clicking an RSS feed would give you a pretty printed XML page by default, which wasn't exactly useful, but might also have side links to some use cases for RSS depending on some combinations of addons installed and configured preferences. Just like Firefox at the time, the most common built-in usecase was that you could subscribe an RSS feed as an auto-updating Bookmarks Folder. But there were addons that did all sorts of things and some feed readers supported various sorts of integrations with IE. IE even shared its feed reading engine as a shared COM control with a built-in Windows service. It was something like BITS [Background Intelligent Transfer Service], Windows' background downloader service, where you could hand it feeds, it would manage feed polling, it tried to be smart about it with things like exponential back-off and downloading feeds during idle bandwidth periods on your machine, and give you back a very simple RSS-like data store of whatever it found. Outside of IE using it, so far as I know the only other major "feed reader" to integrate it was Outlook. I think even fewer people (I did) made use of the RSS features in Outlook than made use of the RSS features in IE and almost no one made use of the fact that IE and Outlook had a shared view of the same feeds, but when IE dropped native RSS is when Outlook dropped RSS support because they didn't want to own the feed reading engine.
cxr 3y ago
Feed authors can make their feeds readable with XSLT and linking to an appropriate style sheet. Most feed authors unfortunately don't, however. It's not clear why this matters, though, since the the whole value prop of a feed reader is having first-class support/awareness of content syndication; it's not much use to display the structure all pretty-like if the browser ultimately doesn't really know what to do with what's in the feed (aside from painting it on the screen when you visit the URL, that is—you might as well just hit the site in that case). People typically want background updates, integration with notification systems, read status tracking, etc.
hammyhavoc 3y ago
Enable `chrome://flags/#following-feed-sidepanel` in Chrome to follow sites via RSS.

advisedwang 3y ago

IE had ~50% of the market before chrome [1], and I don't believe it supported native RSS. I'm also skeptical that many Firefox users were viewing RSS directly in the browser. Yes, Firefox shows the feed, but without subscriptions and a central place to find updates it was not really a good feed reader. [1] https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/ https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/

smusamashah 3y ago
I was not including IE in those browsers TBH, it was never a good browser anyway. I have been an Opera/Firefox user before chrome came in. Both had native RSS support. Even showing RSS symbol in URL when its available and being able to actually read it humanly is way better than chrome's nothing.
WorldMaker 3y ago
IE had "native RSS" going back to somewhere around IE4 or IE5. There was some "Active Desktop" nonsense you could do with RSS really early on, which would have been IE4. IE's approach was very similar to Firefox's: clicking an RSS feed would give you a pretty printed XML page by default, which wasn't exactly useful, but might also have side links to some use cases for RSS depending on some combinations of addons installed and configured preferences. Just like Firefox at the time, the most common built-in usecase was that you could subscribe an RSS feed as an auto-updating Bookmarks Folder. But there were addons that did all sorts of things and some feed readers supported various sorts of integrations with IE. IE even shared its feed reading engine as a shared COM control with a built-in Windows service. It was something like BITS [Background Intelligent Transfer Service], Windows' background downloader service, where you could hand it feeds, it would manage feed polling, it tried to be smart about it with things like exponential back-off and downloading feeds during idle bandwidth periods on your machine, and give you back a very simple RSS-like data store of whatever it found. Outside of IE using it, so far as I know the only other major "feed reader" to integrate it was Outlook. I think even fewer people (I did) made use of the RSS features in Outlook than made use of the RSS features in IE and almost no one made use of the fact that IE and Outlook had a shared view of the same feeds, but when IE dropped native RSS is when Outlook dropped RSS support because they didn't want to own the feed reading engine.

cxr 3y ago

Feed authors can make their feeds readable with XSLT and linking to an appropriate style sheet. Most feed authors unfortunately don't, however. It's not clear why this matters, though, since the the whole value prop of a feed reader is having first-class support/awareness of content syndication; it's not much use to display the structure all pretty-like if the browser ultimately doesn't really know what to do with what's in the feed (aside from painting it on the screen when you visit the URL, that is—you might as well just hit the site in that case). People typically want background updates, integration with notification systems, read status tracking, etc.

hammyhavoc 3y ago

Enable `chrome://flags/#following-feed-sidepanel` in Chrome to follow sites via RSS.