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There is a possibility, however remote, that Sam and MS orchestrated the whole thing.

Uehreka 3y ago
There is also a possibility, however remote, that Aliens are involved somehow. But until we have evidence for any of these remote theories, I’d argue they’re all equally uninteresting.
- croes 3y ago
  But we never saw Alien interference but saw MS's Nokia takeover.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    Everyone that keeps repeating this should read the Finn newspapers of the time, regarding how Nokia board decided to get Elop, and then give him a contract with a bonus clause in case he managed to sell Nokia Mobile business unit. Ex-Nokian here.
    - croes 3y ago
      Got a link? It's hard to search foreign press.
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        Here from the Forbes, https://www.forbes.com/sites/terokuittinen/2013/09/24/nokia-admits-giving-misleading-information-about-elops-compensation/?sh=795add1e18bc https://www.forbes.com/sites/terokuittinen/2013/09/24/nokia-... "According to changes implemented in 2010, Elop was entitled to immediate share price performance bonus in case of a "change of control" situation" And then a couple of related articles, https://www.forbes.com/sites/joanlappin/2013/09/25/anger-at-nokias-elop-spreads-from-his-wife-to-the-finnish-prime-minister/?sh=4ed7da7b85c3 https://www.forbes.com/sites/joanlappin/2013/09/25/anger-at-... "Nokia chief executive Stephen Elop is catching heat today in Finland after the country’s biggest newspaper, Helsingin Sanomat, reported that Elop was guaranteed a $25 million payment if he was able to sell Nokia’s cellphone business." https://venturebeat.com/mobile/finns-are-in-an-uproar-over-elops-25m-bonus-for-selling-nokia/ https://venturebeat.com/mobile/finns-are-in-an-uproar-over-e...
        croes 3y ago
        >This adjustment meant that unlike previous CEOs, Elop was facing an instant, massive windfall should the following sequence happen to take place: - Nokia's share price drops steeply as the company drifts close to cash flow crisis under Elop. - Elop sells the company's handset unit to Microsoft under pressure to raise cash - The share price rebounds sharply, though remains far below where it was when Elop joined the company. Sorry but that sounds more like clever negotation from Elops's side and like a naive blindsided board.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        The contract was signed before he joined, and that sale clause did not materialise after the fact.
- trashtester 3y ago
  Which one, Elon or Zuck?

There is also a possibility, however remote, that Aliens are involved somehow. But until we have evidence for any of these remote theories, I’d argue they’re all equally uninteresting.

croes 3y ago
But we never saw Alien interference but saw MS's Nokia takeover.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Everyone that keeps repeating this should read the Finn newspapers of the time, regarding how Nokia board decided to get Elop, and then give him a contract with a bonus clause in case he managed to sell Nokia Mobile business unit. Ex-Nokian here.
  - croes 3y ago
    Got a link? It's hard to search foreign press.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      Here from the Forbes, https://www.forbes.com/sites/terokuittinen/2013/09/24/nokia-admits-giving-misleading-information-about-elops-compensation/?sh=795add1e18bc https://www.forbes.com/sites/terokuittinen/2013/09/24/nokia-... "According to changes implemented in 2010, Elop was entitled to immediate share price performance bonus in case of a "change of control" situation" And then a couple of related articles, https://www.forbes.com/sites/joanlappin/2013/09/25/anger-at-nokias-elop-spreads-from-his-wife-to-the-finnish-prime-minister/?sh=4ed7da7b85c3 https://www.forbes.com/sites/joanlappin/2013/09/25/anger-at-... "Nokia chief executive Stephen Elop is catching heat today in Finland after the country’s biggest newspaper, Helsingin Sanomat, reported that Elop was guaranteed a $25 million payment if he was able to sell Nokia’s cellphone business." https://venturebeat.com/mobile/finns-are-in-an-uproar-over-elops-25m-bonus-for-selling-nokia/ https://venturebeat.com/mobile/finns-are-in-an-uproar-over-e...
      - croes 3y ago
        >This adjustment meant that unlike previous CEOs, Elop was facing an instant, massive windfall should the following sequence happen to take place: - Nokia's share price drops steeply as the company drifts close to cash flow crisis under Elop. - Elop sells the company's handset unit to Microsoft under pressure to raise cash - The share price rebounds sharply, though remains far below where it was when Elop joined the company. Sorry but that sounds more like clever negotation from Elops's side and like a naive blindsided board.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        The contract was signed before he joined, and that sale clause did not materialise after the fact.
trashtester 3y ago
Which one, Elon or Zuck?