3 ms·

Much of environmentalism is aimed at developed, mostly white countries. You frame it as whites lecturing others, but much of it is whites lecturing other whites

Much of environmentalism is aimed at developed, mostly white countries. You frame it as whites lecturing others, but much of it is whites lecturing other whites. Any tortured logic will do, so long as it finds the right culprit.

throwaway290 3y ago
Totally. No one is shaming developing countries for burning coal and Taiwan with its insanely strict and unforgiving recycling and trash collection policy is oh so very white and developed. The truth is that it's important to not pollute but if it turns out that its main preachers both pollute the most and conspicuously fall in the same gender-racial category then it undermines the whole point since people world over would rightfully be cynical about the idea
- SenAnder 3y ago
  > No one is shaming developing countries for burning coal I deliberately said "much", not "all". You want them to completely ignore the developing world, that, unlike during the industrial revolution, has wind and solar options, even as they preach for the West to have even fewer children, despite already having sub-replacement fertility? In any case, this is tangential to blaming whites for the inaction of non-whites - despite the article's framing, environmental activism is not a scarce resource that whites have monopolized - anyone can do it. Want to fight climate change? Have fewer children - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-fight-climate-change-have-fewer-children https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-... Having a child is the grandest act of climate destruction - https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/having-a-child-is-the-grandest-act-of-climate-destruction/ https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/having-a-child-is-the-gr... Science proves kids are bad for Earth. Morality suggests we stop having them. - https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/science-proves-kids-are-bad-earth-morality-suggests-we-stop-ncna820781 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/science-proves-kids-ar... BirthStrike: The people refusing to have kids, because of ‘the ecological crisis’ - https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/05/health/birthstrike-climate-change-scn-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/05/health/birthstrike-climat... Climate change is making people think twice about having children - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/climate-change-is-making-people-think-twice-about-having-children.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/climate-change-is-making-peo... Would you give up having children to save the planet? Meet the couples who have - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/20/give-up-having-children-couples-save-planet-climate-crisis https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/20/give-up-having... A World Without Children - A generation facing an intractable problem debates whether to bring a new generation into the world. - https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/09/millennials-babies-climate-change/620032/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/09/millenn... No Children Because of Climate Change? Some People Are Considering It - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/climate/climate-change-children.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/climate/climate-change-ch...

throwaway290 3y ago

Totally. No one is shaming developing countries for burning coal and Taiwan with its insanely strict and unforgiving recycling and trash collection policy is oh so very white and developed. The truth is that it's important to not pollute but if it turns out that its main preachers both pollute the most and conspicuously fall in the same gender-racial category then it undermines the whole point since people world over would rightfully be cynical about the idea

SenAnder 3y ago
> No one is shaming developing countries for burning coal I deliberately said "much", not "all". You want them to completely ignore the developing world, that, unlike during the industrial revolution, has wind and solar options, even as they preach for the West to have even fewer children, despite already having sub-replacement fertility? In any case, this is tangential to blaming whites for the inaction of non-whites - despite the article's framing, environmental activism is not a scarce resource that whites have monopolized - anyone can do it. Want to fight climate change? Have fewer children - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-fight-climate-change-have-fewer-children https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-... Having a child is the grandest act of climate destruction - https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/having-a-child-is-the-grandest-act-of-climate-destruction/ https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/having-a-child-is-the-gr... Science proves kids are bad for Earth. Morality suggests we stop having them. - https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/science-proves-kids-are-bad-earth-morality-suggests-we-stop-ncna820781 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/science-proves-kids-ar... BirthStrike: The people refusing to have kids, because of ‘the ecological crisis’ - https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/05/health/birthstrike-climate-change-scn-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/05/health/birthstrike-climat... Climate change is making people think twice about having children - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/climate-change-is-making-people-think-twice-about-having-children.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/climate-change-is-making-peo... Would you give up having children to save the planet? Meet the couples who have - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/20/give-up-having-children-couples-save-planet-climate-crisis https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/20/give-up-having... A World Without Children - A generation facing an intractable problem debates whether to bring a new generation into the world. - https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/09/millennials-babies-climate-change/620032/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/09/millenn... No Children Because of Climate Change? Some People Are Considering It - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/climate/climate-change-children.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/climate/climate-change-ch...