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Another "Youtube is doing shit" thread and yet not a single mention of Peertube. https://joinpeertube.org/en https://joinpeertube.org/en So for all people upl

by ploum 3y ago

Another "Youtube is doing shit" thread and yet not a single mention of Peertube. https://joinpeertube.org/en https://joinpeertube.org/en So for all people uploading videos, please have a look at Peertube. It is to Youtube what Mastodon is to Twitter. (and more: it is compatible with Mastodon, one can subscribe to your Peertube channel through his/her mastodon account). I’m not arguing to leave Youtube completely but to offer an alternative to your audience. Please join peertube.

hollowturtle 3y ago
I'd love to see real competition to YouTube. I'm afraid this seems not, the UX isn't great, homepage is useless, you need to click on Browse content then enter some keywords on a blank page, search results limited to 2 items and then you need to click on "Display more videos". I might be to used to youtube homepage, for me it's perfect I get videos right away and suggestions are good. I'm pretty sure this project, Mastodon and others are in good will, but they lack great ux/ui, it seems to me that ux isn't even researched, how can it be a viable competitor?
- BlueTemplar 3y ago
  Please send this to the Peertube developer. Consider also that until recently it's likely that having videos load fast on peer2peer and adding features like streaming likely had a higher priority than interface polishing. But you might be asking for something impossible : the focus is on the different servers, and having a "suggested videos" page is seen as an anti-feature because it involves making an "algorithm", at which point you are editorializing, become (legally !) responsible for what you select, and are close to become a platform yourself, something that you started out by fighting in the first place !
  - ploum 3y ago
    Like Mastodon, Peertube should not aim to "Do everything people think will be good to get audience". It should create a philosophy. I’m quite sure that lot and lot of people are tired by all those algorithmic suggestions. People are sad to see creators doing videos to get likes/subscribers/views instead of really creating. This is a new model. And the winners of the old models will either adapt or not be winners any more. And that’s good if the premise is that the old model is broken in the first place.
- beej71 3y ago
  I don't need it to be a competitor; I don't even want it to be a competitor. I just need it to exist and get some quality, modest use like the rest of the fedeverse.
- zelphirkalt 3y ago
  > I'd love to see real competition to YouTube. I'm afraid this seems not, the UX isn't great. What do you call YouTube's UI then? Any Peertube instance I used has better UI than YouTube. Most websites have. Because YouTube UI is atrocious and one of the most user hostile UIs I have used. > search results limited to 2 items Not sure what you are talking about. Is this an exaggeration? It is not clear via text-only to me.
- Vicinity9635 3y ago
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noirscape 3y ago
YouTube's market hold is unfortunately circular; no uploader on the platform will risk splitting their audience to a platform nobody goes to, and because of that, new platforms are unable to grow. That aside: I also doubt most peertube instances can withstand the bandwidth costs of seriously hosting a few moderately succesful YouTube channels.
- lacrimacida 3y ago
  Content makers already do multi uploads on various platforms
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
  > no uploader on the platform will risk splitting their audience to a platform nobody goes to cough nebula cough
  - noirscape 3y ago
    Nebula is closer to a premium streaming service - I'm not really counting it in the same sense as YouTube/Peertubes free, unbridled goals of video sharing, since Nebula doesn't do that either. I'd say it's closer to something like Amazon Prime/Netflix/Disney+ but for a specific cadre of creators on YouTube.
hersko 3y ago
I think Rumble [1] is the most valid competitor at the moment. [1] https://rumble.com/ https://rumble.com/
- dtjb 3y ago
  That's some off-putting content to show new users. I suspect they're an ideologically driven platform? *edit, their press release section removes all doubt.
  - Vicinity9635 3y ago
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by ploum 3y ago

hollowturtle 3y ago

I'd love to see real competition to YouTube. I'm afraid this seems not, the UX isn't great, homepage is useless, you need to click on Browse content then enter some keywords on a blank page, search results limited to 2 items and then you need to click on "Display more videos". I might be to used to youtube homepage, for me it's perfect I get videos right away and suggestions are good. I'm pretty sure this project, Mastodon and others are in good will, but they lack great ux/ui, it seems to me that ux isn't even researched, how can it be a viable competitor?

BlueTemplar 3y ago
Please send this to the Peertube developer. Consider also that until recently it's likely that having videos load fast on peer2peer and adding features like streaming likely had a higher priority than interface polishing. But you might be asking for something impossible : the focus is on the different servers, and having a "suggested videos" page is seen as an anti-feature because it involves making an "algorithm", at which point you are editorializing, become (legally !) responsible for what you select, and are close to become a platform yourself, something that you started out by fighting in the first place !
- ploum 3y ago
  Like Mastodon, Peertube should not aim to "Do everything people think will be good to get audience". It should create a philosophy. I’m quite sure that lot and lot of people are tired by all those algorithmic suggestions. People are sad to see creators doing videos to get likes/subscribers/views instead of really creating. This is a new model. And the winners of the old models will either adapt or not be winners any more. And that’s good if the premise is that the old model is broken in the first place.
beej71 3y ago
I don't need it to be a competitor; I don't even want it to be a competitor. I just need it to exist and get some quality, modest use like the rest of the fedeverse.
zelphirkalt 3y ago
> I'd love to see real competition to YouTube. I'm afraid this seems not, the UX isn't great. What do you call YouTube's UI then? Any Peertube instance I used has better UI than YouTube. Most websites have. Because YouTube UI is atrocious and one of the most user hostile UIs I have used. > search results limited to 2 items Not sure what you are talking about. Is this an exaggeration? It is not clear via text-only to me.
Vicinity9635 3y ago
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noirscape 3y ago

YouTube's market hold is unfortunately circular; no uploader on the platform will risk splitting their audience to a platform nobody goes to, and because of that, new platforms are unable to grow. That aside: I also doubt most peertube instances can withstand the bandwidth costs of seriously hosting a few moderately succesful YouTube channels.

lacrimacida 3y ago
Content makers already do multi uploads on various platforms
PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
> no uploader on the platform will risk splitting their audience to a platform nobody goes to cough nebula cough
- noirscape 3y ago
  Nebula is closer to a premium streaming service - I'm not really counting it in the same sense as YouTube/Peertubes free, unbridled goals of video sharing, since Nebula doesn't do that either. I'd say it's closer to something like Amazon Prime/Netflix/Disney+ but for a specific cadre of creators on YouTube.

hersko 3y ago

I think Rumble [1] is the most valid competitor at the moment. [1] https://rumble.com/ https://rumble.com/

dtjb 3y ago
That's some off-putting content to show new users. I suspect they're an ideologically driven platform? *edit, their press release section removes all doubt.
- Vicinity9635 3y ago
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