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> It’s a bit tragic that Ilya and company achieved the exact opposite of what they intended apparently, by driving those they attempted to slow down into the ar
by TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
> It’s a bit tragic that Ilya and company achieved the exact opposite of what they intended apparently, by driving those they attempted to slow down into the arms of people with more money and less morals. Well.
If they didn’t fire him, Altman will just continue to run hog wild over their charter. In that sense they lose either way.
At least this way, OpenAI can continue to operate independently instead of being Microsoft’s zombie vassal company with their mole Altman pulling the strings.
- abm53 3y agoThere is a third option where he stayed, they managed to find a compromise, and in so doing kept their influence in the space to a large extent.
- layer8 3y agoI'm pretty sure they tried that before firing him.
- s3p 3y agoSeeing as the vote took place in a haphazard way on the 11th hour during a weekend, I’m not sure they did.
- layer8 3y agoThe vote for firing him effectively took place on Thursday at the latest, given that Murati was informed about it that evening.
- ethanbond 3y agoThis has been a source of tension at least since the release of ChatGPT, so… yeah it’s not like the problem came out of nowhere. The governance structure itself is indicative of quite elaborate attempts to reconcile it.
- mbreese 3y agoI don’t know about that. Yes, there was tension built into the structure, something happened to trigger this. You don’t fire your CEO without a backup plan if this was an on going conflict. And if your backup plan is to keep the current president (who was the chair of the board until you removed him), that’s not a backup plan. Everything points to this being a haphazard change that’s clumsy at best.
- ethanbond 3y agoThe question was “did they try to find compromise” not “was the firing haphazard.” The answer is definitely yes to the former.
- cyanydeez 3y agoyou can interpret it exactly opposite: they tried to negotiate and he lied .
- bart_spoon 3y agoYou are assuming there was absolutely no build up to the firing. Just because the disagreements weren’t public doesn’t mean they weren’t happening.
- stingraycharles 3y agoHow will they be able to continue doing their things without money? It seems like people forget that it was the investors’ money that made all this possible in the first place.
- jampekka 3y agoDeveloping new algorithms and methods doesn't necessarily, or even typically, take billions.
- sebzim4500 3y agoYeah but testing if they work does, that's the problem. There are probably load so ways you can make language models with 100M parameters more efficient, but most of them won't scale to models with 100B parameters. IIRC there is a bit of a phase transition that happens around 7B parameters where the distribution of activations changes qualitatively. Anthropic have interpretability papers where their method does not work for 'small' models (with ~5B parameters) but works great for models with >50B parameters.
- kvetching 3y agoDeep NN aren't the only path to AGI... They actually could be one of the worst paths For Example, check out the proceedings of the AGI Conference that's been going on for 16 years. https://www.agi-conference.org/ https://www.agi-conference.org/ I have faith that Ilya. He's not going to allow this blunder to define his reputation. He's going to go all in on research to find something to replace Transformers, leaving everyone else in the dust.
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- eightysixfour 3y agoYou mean the person who just signed the letter saying he’d quit if the board doesn’t fire themselves and bring back Sam? That Ilya?
- pelasaco 3y ago> If they didn’t fire him, Altman will just continue to run hog wild over their charter. In that sense they lose either way. The story would be much more interesting if actually AI had fired him.
- FrustratedMonky 3y agoMoloch always wins.
- rashthedude 3y agoLOL
- mistermann 3y agoMostly. But Elua is still here, and the game isn't over yet.