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>In Germany is quite easy I think everywhere in Europe you can easily get new PCs without Windows bundled with them, especially in Eastern Europe where a lot o

>In Germany is quite easy I think everywhere in Europe you can easily get new PCs without Windows bundled with them, especially in Eastern Europe where a lot of Laptops in the shops only come with Free-DOS by default as consumers would rather save the ~100 Euro Windows license on the machines and sort the Windows situation later at much cheaper price on the gray market.

neuromanser 3y ago
No grey market: it's legal to sell on used software licenses in the EU, see Directive 2009/24/EC article 4 para 2. I buy Windows PRO licenses for about 20EUR. Laptops sold without Windows preinstalled are still a rare sight.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >I buy Windows PRO licenses for about 20EUR. You're overpaying. Windows is free to use if you can live with the activation watermark, or I paid 2,6 Euros for a PRO license on Ebay. 20 Euros for what Windows is today, is already expensive. >Laptops sold without Windows preinstalled are still a rare sight. Go to Romania. About half of the more budget friendly laptops on shelves are sold with Free-DOS.
  - neuromanser 3y ago
    Both suggestions would net me in the best case way less than I stand to lose in the worst case.
    - AlexeyBelov 3y ago
      Can you elaborate?
- BSDobelix 3y ago
  >it's legal to sell on used software licenses in the EU But in Germany you get sued in the first place for buying "keys with unreasonably low prices" (Lizengo). https://linustechtips.com/topic/1313408-thousands-of-criminal-cases-opened-in-germany-for-buying-windows-licenses-over-3rd-party-reseller/ https://linustechtips.com/topic/1313408-thousands-of-crimina...
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    1. Don't buy keys from Germany, buy online from anywhere else, that's the beauty of the internet 2. Germany can go pound sand, nobody care about that digital dinosaur
    - BSDobelix 3y ago
      1. Don't buy key's AS a German 2. The people with the letter have to care. However dinosaurs could run, germany is a digital sloth.
  - neuromanser 3y ago
    Can't speak to that as I don't buy in Germany, and I'm not buying hundreds of licenses.

neuromanser 3y ago

No grey market: it's legal to sell on used software licenses in the EU, see Directive 2009/24/EC article 4 para 2. I buy Windows PRO licenses for about 20EUR. Laptops sold without Windows preinstalled are still a rare sight.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>I buy Windows PRO licenses for about 20EUR. You're overpaying. Windows is free to use if you can live with the activation watermark, or I paid 2,6 Euros for a PRO license on Ebay. 20 Euros for what Windows is today, is already expensive. >Laptops sold without Windows preinstalled are still a rare sight. Go to Romania. About half of the more budget friendly laptops on shelves are sold with Free-DOS.
- neuromanser 3y ago
  Both suggestions would net me in the best case way less than I stand to lose in the worst case.
  - AlexeyBelov 3y ago
    Can you elaborate?
BSDobelix 3y ago
>it's legal to sell on used software licenses in the EU But in Germany you get sued in the first place for buying "keys with unreasonably low prices" (Lizengo). https://linustechtips.com/topic/1313408-thousands-of-criminal-cases-opened-in-germany-for-buying-windows-licenses-over-3rd-party-reseller/ https://linustechtips.com/topic/1313408-thousands-of-crimina...
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  1. Don't buy keys from Germany, buy online from anywhere else, that's the beauty of the internet 2. Germany can go pound sand, nobody care about that digital dinosaur
  - BSDobelix 3y ago
    1. Don't buy key's AS a German 2. The people with the letter have to care. However dinosaurs could run, germany is a digital sloth.
- neuromanser 3y ago
  Can't speak to that as I don't buy in Germany, and I'm not buying hundreds of licenses.