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What idea are you talking about? They are not your classic founders coming up with an idea to join Y combinator. They build OpenAI for many years, they know wha

What idea are you talking about? They are not your classic founders coming up with an idea to join Y combinator. They build OpenAI for many years, they know what to do. It won't be hard for them to hire researchers and engineers, from OpenAI or other places. Questions like this makes me wonder if you are a troll. I won't continue this thread.

bayindirh 3y ago
Being able to hire researchers and, even the top talent doesn't guarantee that they'll be the top company or even succeed at what they're building. This is what I referred as "Cargo Cult AI". You can get the money, but money is not the only ingredient needed to make things happen. edit: Looks like they won't have a brand new company next week, but joining an existing one.
- xcv123 3y ago
  Nothing can guarantee that. Investors always accept risk. He has a better chance than some other random guy who was not the CEO of OpenAI.
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    Let's see whether Satya Nadella's bet on that risk will pay or not. Chance is a "biased random" in the real world. Let's see whether his bias is strong enough to make a difference.
    - xcv123 3y ago
      Are you talking about OpenAI or about Sam Altman's hypothetical new company? OpenAI already had the best technology fully developed and in production when Microsoft invested in them. I believe "cargo cult" means something quite different to how you're using it. It's not "cargo cult" to consider someone's CV when you hire them for a new job. Sam Altman ran a successful AI company before and he most likely can do it again if provided enough support and resources.
      - bayindirh 3y ago
        > Are you talking about OpenAI or about Sam Altman's hypothetical new company? About him and Greg joining to Microsoft. > I believe "cargo cult" means something quite different to how you're using it. I don't think so. Tribes believed that building wooden air strips or planes would bring the goods they have seen during wartime. People believe that bringing Altman will bring the same thing (OpenAI as is) exactly where it's left off. Altman is just tip of the iceberg. Might have some catalyst inside him, but he's not the research itself or the researcher himself.
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        xcv123 3y ago
        OpenAI did not invent the transformer architecture. It was not their original research, but they implemented it well. Sam Altman led the company that implemented and executed it. Deep learning is not a secret. It just needs a lot of resources to be executed properly. OpenAI doesn't have any secret methods unknown to the rest of the AI community. They have strong engineering and execution. It is certainly within the CEO's power to influence that.
        bayindirh 3y ago
        I don't claim that OpenAI will be the same without Sam, but Sam will be powerless without OpenAI. What I say is, both lost their status quo (OpenAI as the performer, Sam as the leader), and both will have to re-adjust and re-orient. The magic smoke has been let out. Even if you restore the "configuration" of OpenAI with Sam and all employees before Friday, it's almost impossible to get the same company from these parts. Again, Sam was part of what made OpenAI what it is, and without it, he won't be able to perform the same. Same is equally valid for OpenAI. Things are changing, it's better to observe rather than dig for an entity or a person. Life is bigger than both of them, even when combined.
        xcv123 3y ago
  - mcv 3y ago
    > He has a better chance than some other random guy who was not the CEO of OpenAI. Yes, but that doesn't mean it's enough. Not every random guy who wasn't the CEO of OpenAI is about to start an AI company (though some probably are). It's quite possible an AI company does need a better vision than "hire some engineers and have them make AI".
    - sage76 3y ago
      > It's quite possible an AI company does need a better vision than "hire some engineers and have them make AI". Seems like all these "business guys" think that's all it takes.
      - mcv 3y ago
        They often do. That doesn't make them right. There's probably going to be a massive AI bubble similar to what we've seen with cryptocurrencies and NFTs, and after that bubble pops, AI will probably end up discredited for a decade before it picks up again. It's happened before.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Case in point: Google and Bard.

bayindirh 3y ago

Being able to hire researchers and, even the top talent doesn't guarantee that they'll be the top company or even succeed at what they're building. This is what I referred as "Cargo Cult AI". You can get the money, but money is not the only ingredient needed to make things happen. edit: Looks like they won't have a brand new company next week, but joining an existing one.

xcv123 3y ago
Nothing can guarantee that. Investors always accept risk. He has a better chance than some other random guy who was not the CEO of OpenAI.
- bayindirh 3y ago
  Let's see whether Satya Nadella's bet on that risk will pay or not. Chance is a "biased random" in the real world. Let's see whether his bias is strong enough to make a difference.
  - xcv123 3y ago
    Are you talking about OpenAI or about Sam Altman's hypothetical new company? OpenAI already had the best technology fully developed and in production when Microsoft invested in them. I believe "cargo cult" means something quite different to how you're using it. It's not "cargo cult" to consider someone's CV when you hire them for a new job. Sam Altman ran a successful AI company before and he most likely can do it again if provided enough support and resources.
    - bayindirh 3y ago
      > Are you talking about OpenAI or about Sam Altman's hypothetical new company? About him and Greg joining to Microsoft. > I believe "cargo cult" means something quite different to how you're using it. I don't think so. Tribes believed that building wooden air strips or planes would bring the goods they have seen during wartime. People believe that bringing Altman will bring the same thing (OpenAI as is) exactly where it's left off. Altman is just tip of the iceberg. Might have some catalyst inside him, but he's not the research itself or the researcher himself.
      - deleted 3y ago
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      - xcv123 3y ago
        OpenAI did not invent the transformer architecture. It was not their original research, but they implemented it well. Sam Altman led the company that implemented and executed it. Deep learning is not a secret. It just needs a lot of resources to be executed properly. OpenAI doesn't have any secret methods unknown to the rest of the AI community. They have strong engineering and execution. It is certainly within the CEO's power to influence that.
        bayindirh 3y ago
        I don't claim that OpenAI will be the same without Sam, but Sam will be powerless without OpenAI. What I say is, both lost their status quo (OpenAI as the performer, Sam as the leader), and both will have to re-adjust and re-orient. The magic smoke has been let out. Even if you restore the "configuration" of OpenAI with Sam and all employees before Friday, it's almost impossible to get the same company from these parts. Again, Sam was part of what made OpenAI what it is, and without it, he won't be able to perform the same. Same is equally valid for OpenAI. Things are changing, it's better to observe rather than dig for an entity or a person. Life is bigger than both of them, even when combined.
        xcv123 3y ago
- mcv 3y ago
  > He has a better chance than some other random guy who was not the CEO of OpenAI. Yes, but that doesn't mean it's enough. Not every random guy who wasn't the CEO of OpenAI is about to start an AI company (though some probably are). It's quite possible an AI company does need a better vision than "hire some engineers and have them make AI".
  - sage76 3y ago
    > It's quite possible an AI company does need a better vision than "hire some engineers and have them make AI". Seems like all these "business guys" think that's all it takes.
    - mcv 3y ago
      They often do. That doesn't make them right. There's probably going to be a massive AI bubble similar to what we've seen with cryptocurrencies and NFTs, and after that bubble pops, AI will probably end up discredited for a decade before it picks up again. It's happened before.
ChatGTP 3y ago
Case in point: Google and Bard.