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> Why would workers immediately quit their job when he has no other company It is Sam Altman. He will have one in a week. > It seems like half of the people

> Why would workers immediately quit their job when he has no other company It is Sam Altman. He will have one in a week. > It seems like half of the people working at the non-profit were not actually concerned about the mission but rather just waiting out their turn for big bucks and fame. I would imagine most employees at any organization are not really there because of corporate values, but their own interests. > What does Altman bring to the table besides raising money from foreign governments and states, apparently? And one of the world's largest tech corporations. If you are interested in the money side, that isn't something to take lightly. So I would bet it is just following the money, or at least the expected money. The new board also wants to slow development. That isn't very exciting either.

bayindirh 3y ago
> It is Sam Altman. He will have one in a week. Welcome to Cargo Cult AI.
- alsodumb 3y ago
  What's wrong with that statement though? It's the AI era - VCs are going crazy funding AI startups. What makes you think Greg and Sam would have a hard time raising millions/billions and starting a new company in a week if they want to?
  - bmitc 3y ago
    How will they come up with the idea? One is an investor and the other is an infrastructure software engineer.
    - alsodumb 3y ago
      What idea are you talking about? They are not your classic founders coming up with an idea to join Y combinator. They build OpenAI for many years, they know what to do. It won't be hard for them to hire researchers and engineers, from OpenAI or other places. Questions like this makes me wonder if you are a troll. I won't continue this thread.
      - bayindirh 3y ago
        Being able to hire researchers and, even the top talent doesn't guarantee that they'll be the top company or even succeed at what they're building. This is what I referred as "Cargo Cult AI". You can get the money, but money is not the only ingredient needed to make things happen. edit: Looks like they won't have a brand new company next week, but joining an existing one.
        xcv123 3y ago
        Nothing can guarantee that. Investors always accept risk. He has a better chance than some other random guy who was not the CEO of OpenAI.
        bayindirh 3y ago
        Let's see whether Satya Nadella's bet on that risk will pay or not. Chance is a "biased random" in the real world. Let's see whether his bias is strong enough to make a difference.
        xcv123 3y ago
        Are you talking about OpenAI or about Sam Altman's hypothetical new company? OpenAI already had the best technology fully developed and in production when Microsoft invested in them. I believe "cargo cult" means something quite different to how you're using it. It's not "cargo cult" to consider someone's CV when you hire them for a new job. Sam Altman ran a successful AI company before and he most likely can do it again if provided enough support and resources.
        bayindirh 3y ago
        > Are you talking about OpenAI or about Sam Altman's hypothetical new company? About him and Greg joining to Microsoft. > I believe "cargo cult" means something quite different to how you're using it. I don't think so. Tribes believed that building wooden air strips or planes would bring the goods they have seen during wartime. People believe that bringing Altman will bring the same thing (OpenAI as is) exactly where it's left off. Altman is just tip of the iceberg. Might have some catalyst inside him, but he's not the research itself or the researcher himself.
- MattGaiser 3y ago
  All the more reason he will have one within a week. All sorts of people are raising millions for AI. One of the creators of modern startup venture capital who is buddies with many of the creators of modern startup venture capital as well as the CEOs of the major tech companies is unlikely to struggle here.
bmitc 3y ago
>> Why would workers immediately quit their job when he has no other company > It is Sam Altman. He will have one in a week. His previous companies were Loopt and Worldcoin. Won't his next venture require finding someone else to piggyback off of? > If you are interested in the money side, that isn't something to take lightly. I am interested in how taking billions from foreign companies and states could lead to national security and conflict of interest problems. > The new board also wants to slow development. It's not a new board as far as I know.
- alsodumb 3y ago
  His previous ventures don't matter. If he seeks funding, whether millions or billions, he will get it. Period. I don't know how people can reasonably argue that he will have a hard time raising money for a new AI startup along with Greg. It's not a new board, but it's the time when the board decided to assert their power and make their statement/vision clear.
  - bmitc 3y ago
    So Sam and Greg are going to invent some new thing out of thin air in a matter of days? Or will they attach themselves to something else, like I implied? Or take on millions of dollars of funding to "figure it out"?

bayindirh 3y ago

> It is Sam Altman. He will have one in a week. Welcome to Cargo Cult AI.

alsodumb 3y ago
What's wrong with that statement though? It's the AI era - VCs are going crazy funding AI startups. What makes you think Greg and Sam would have a hard time raising millions/billions and starting a new company in a week if they want to?
- bmitc 3y ago
  How will they come up with the idea? One is an investor and the other is an infrastructure software engineer.
  - alsodumb 3y ago
    What idea are you talking about? They are not your classic founders coming up with an idea to join Y combinator. They build OpenAI for many years, they know what to do. It won't be hard for them to hire researchers and engineers, from OpenAI or other places. Questions like this makes me wonder if you are a troll. I won't continue this thread.
    - bayindirh 3y ago
      Being able to hire researchers and, even the top talent doesn't guarantee that they'll be the top company or even succeed at what they're building. This is what I referred as "Cargo Cult AI". You can get the money, but money is not the only ingredient needed to make things happen. edit: Looks like they won't have a brand new company next week, but joining an existing one.
      - xcv123 3y ago
        Nothing can guarantee that. Investors always accept risk. He has a better chance than some other random guy who was not the CEO of OpenAI.
        bayindirh 3y ago
        Let's see whether Satya Nadella's bet on that risk will pay or not. Chance is a "biased random" in the real world. Let's see whether his bias is strong enough to make a difference.
        xcv123 3y ago
        Are you talking about OpenAI or about Sam Altman's hypothetical new company? OpenAI already had the best technology fully developed and in production when Microsoft invested in them. I believe "cargo cult" means something quite different to how you're using it. It's not "cargo cult" to consider someone's CV when you hire them for a new job. Sam Altman ran a successful AI company before and he most likely can do it again if provided enough support and resources.
        bayindirh 3y ago
        > Are you talking about OpenAI or about Sam Altman's hypothetical new company? About him and Greg joining to Microsoft. > I believe "cargo cult" means something quite different to how you're using it. I don't think so. Tribes believed that building wooden air strips or planes would bring the goods they have seen during wartime. People believe that bringing Altman will bring the same thing (OpenAI as is) exactly where it's left off. Altman is just tip of the iceberg. Might have some catalyst inside him, but he's not the research itself or the researcher himself.
MattGaiser 3y ago
All the more reason he will have one within a week. All sorts of people are raising millions for AI. One of the creators of modern startup venture capital who is buddies with many of the creators of modern startup venture capital as well as the CEOs of the major tech companies is unlikely to struggle here.

bmitc 3y ago

>> Why would workers immediately quit their job when he has no other company > It is Sam Altman. He will have one in a week. His previous companies were Loopt and Worldcoin. Won't his next venture require finding someone else to piggyback off of? > If you are interested in the money side, that isn't something to take lightly. I am interested in how taking billions from foreign companies and states could lead to national security and conflict of interest problems. > The new board also wants to slow development. It's not a new board as far as I know.

alsodumb 3y ago
His previous ventures don't matter. If he seeks funding, whether millions or billions, he will get it. Period. I don't know how people can reasonably argue that he will have a hard time raising money for a new AI startup along with Greg. It's not a new board, but it's the time when the board decided to assert their power and make their statement/vision clear.
- bmitc 3y ago
  So Sam and Greg are going to invent some new thing out of thin air in a matter of days? Or will they attach themselves to something else, like I implied? Or take on millions of dollars of funding to "figure it out"?