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Many of OpenAIs most talented people left to start Anthropic. They have billions in funding and have not yet got particularly close to GPT-4. I think that illu

Many of OpenAIs most talented people left to start Anthropic. They have billions in funding and have not yet got particularly close to GPT-4. I think that illustrates it will be a be a big uphill battle for any new entrant no matter how well funded or resourced.

leoh 3y ago
The parent post is literally true yet keeps getting downvoted — what a mess HN has become, too
- leoh 3y ago
  -2 points and a truly shifting +/- situation @dang — any plans to do anything here I mean not like you have to but yeah I can think of some stuff that could make this better probably (or at minimum experiments that could be run) Also not on this post but in general I mean
- leoh 3y ago
  -2 points and a truly shifting +/- situation @dang — any plans to do anything here I mean not like you have to but yeah I can think of some stuff that could make this better probably I mean not on this post in particular but as an HN issue if we agree it’s kind of degrading the experience and there are indeed likely fixes
adonese 3y ago
noob ai here, but is it gonna be challenging because of something intrinsic to gpt4? or about collecting equivalent amount of data to train a comparable model. Because I see Facebook releasing their models down to the weights
vintermann 3y ago
And the new CEO was a consultant to Anthropic, apparently. I'm only grateful I don't have to make sense of this drama.
nmfisher 3y ago
Speak for yourself, I cancelled my GPT4 subscription because I prefer using Claude 2.
sumitkumar 3y ago
Anthropic was formed for nearly the same reason Sam was fired. To slow the things down. OpenAI takes MS funding and Anthropic is formed. OpenAI pace goes a little above the comfort level of Ilya and Sam is fired. MS picks up Sam and will try to outpace openAI while openAI will put brakes on itself.
killerstorm 3y ago
> They have billions in funding and have not yet got particularly close to GPT-4. Wrong. Claude 2 beats GPT-4 is some benchmarks (e.g. HumanEval Python coding; math; analytical writing.). It's close enough. It doesn't matter who holds the crown this week, Anthropic definitely has ingredients to make GPT-4-class model. This is like comparing similar cars from BMW and Toyota, finding few specific parameters where BMW has a higher score and saying "You see? Toyota engineering is nowhere close". This actually shows Sam Altman's true contribution: the free version of ChatGPT is undeniably worse than Bing Chat, and yet ChatGPT is a bigger brand. (And it might be a deliberate choice to save money for Claude 3 instead instead of making Claude 2 absolutely SotA.)

leoh 3y ago

The parent post is literally true yet keeps getting downvoted — what a mess HN has become, too

leoh 3y ago
-2 points and a truly shifting +/- situation @dang — any plans to do anything here I mean not like you have to but yeah I can think of some stuff that could make this better probably (or at minimum experiments that could be run) Also not on this post but in general I mean
leoh 3y ago
-2 points and a truly shifting +/- situation @dang — any plans to do anything here I mean not like you have to but yeah I can think of some stuff that could make this better probably I mean not on this post in particular but as an HN issue if we agree it’s kind of degrading the experience and there are indeed likely fixes

adonese 3y ago

noob ai here, but is it gonna be challenging because of something intrinsic to gpt4? or about collecting equivalent amount of data to train a comparable model. Because I see Facebook releasing their models down to the weights

vintermann 3y ago

And the new CEO was a consultant to Anthropic, apparently. I'm only grateful I don't have to make sense of this drama.

nmfisher 3y ago

Speak for yourself, I cancelled my GPT4 subscription because I prefer using Claude 2.

sumitkumar 3y ago

Anthropic was formed for nearly the same reason Sam was fired. To slow the things down. OpenAI takes MS funding and Anthropic is formed. OpenAI pace goes a little above the comfort level of Ilya and Sam is fired. MS picks up Sam and will try to outpace openAI while openAI will put brakes on itself.

killerstorm 3y ago

> They have billions in funding and have not yet got particularly close to GPT-4. Wrong. Claude 2 beats GPT-4 is some benchmarks (e.g. HumanEval Python coding; math; analytical writing.). It's close enough. It doesn't matter who holds the crown this week, Anthropic definitely has ingredients to make GPT-4-class model. This is like comparing similar cars from BMW and Toyota, finding few specific parameters where BMW has a higher score and saying "You see? Toyota engineering is nowhere close". This actually shows Sam Altman's true contribution: the free version of ChatGPT is undeniably worse than Bing Chat, and yet ChatGPT is a bigger brand. (And it might be a deliberate choice to save money for Claude 3 instead instead of making Claude 2 absolutely SotA.)