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If this were true they never would have had talks to bring him back. That's the opposite of steadfast commitment to principles. If Sam wronged them or the compa

If this were true they never would have had talks to bring him back. That's the opposite of steadfast commitment to principles. If Sam wronged them or the company in a significant way they never should have let him back in the building. The board's decisions may or may not turn out to be correct in hindsight. But it's very difficult to say that this was a good example of leadership or decision making.

lajawfe 3y ago
That is just current narrative, we don't know the details right? There was immense pressure from investors/Microsoft and board had to have that meeting. But the board probably already made their mind and did not balk under pressure.
lostmsu 3y ago
That depends on what "talks" consisted of. If it was Altman throwing arguments at them, and them just replying "no thank you", I don't see a problem.
jay_kyburz 3y ago
If I had to guess, they had the talks to bring him back as a favor to somebody, or as a sign of good faith, but neither party had changed their position so there was no compromise to be had.
dundarious 3y ago
https://twitter.com/ashleevance/status/1726469283734274338 https://twitter.com/ashleevance/status/1726469283734274338 > So, here's what happened at OpenAI tonight. Mira planned to hire Sam and Greg back. She turned Team Sam over past couple of days. Idea was to force board to fire everyone, which they figured the board would not do. Board went into total silence. Found their own CEO Emmett Shear Written by the person who broke the story at Bloomberg. So it appears a single person on the board wanted the talks to bring him back, and nobody else. I think that's 1 against 3, but the point is that the board wasn't totally united (which is not surprising).
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- ignoramous 3y ago
  Mira isn't on the OpenAI Board.
  - dundarious 3y ago
    I genuinely don't remember who's on it, so thanks for the data point. Regardless, my argument is they needn't act in total unanimity. I presume this Mira person wasn't totally freelancing -- how would this even end up being presented to the board without some direction from someone on the board. So maybe more like 3.5 against 0.5. It could have been a total flip flop, but that's a bigger assumption. I have no problem not assuming grand narratives until the basic reporting shakes out.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > I presume this Mira person wasn't totally freelancing She was the interim CEO; it seems that it was her and some of the rest of the executive team, not the board, that wanted Sam to come back. The board apparently was working on finding a new interim CEO to replace Mira that wasn't in Sam's camp more than it was trying to bring Sam back.
      - dundarious 3y ago
        Thanks. So it seems like there were not even any individual flip-flops from the board (until Ilya Sutskever's more recent comments), so they were pretty "steadfast" after all.
- ffgjgf1 3y ago
  She was the interim CEO not a board member? Considering was supposedly happened appointing her was the smartest thing to do (from the perspective of the board)

lajawfe 3y ago

That is just current narrative, we don't know the details right? There was immense pressure from investors/Microsoft and board had to have that meeting. But the board probably already made their mind and did not balk under pressure.

lostmsu 3y ago

That depends on what "talks" consisted of. If it was Altman throwing arguments at them, and them just replying "no thank you", I don't see a problem.

jay_kyburz 3y ago

If I had to guess, they had the talks to bring him back as a favor to somebody, or as a sign of good faith, but neither party had changed their position so there was no compromise to be had.

dundarious 3y ago

https://twitter.com/ashleevance/status/1726469283734274338 https://twitter.com/ashleevance/status/1726469283734274338 > So, here's what happened at OpenAI tonight. Mira planned to hire Sam and Greg back. She turned Team Sam over past couple of days. Idea was to force board to fire everyone, which they figured the board would not do. Board went into total silence. Found their own CEO Emmett Shear Written by the person who broke the story at Bloomberg. So it appears a single person on the board wanted the talks to bring him back, and nobody else. I think that's 1 against 3, but the point is that the board wasn't totally united (which is not surprising).

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ignoramous 3y ago
Mira isn't on the OpenAI Board.
- dundarious 3y ago
  I genuinely don't remember who's on it, so thanks for the data point. Regardless, my argument is they needn't act in total unanimity. I presume this Mira person wasn't totally freelancing -- how would this even end up being presented to the board without some direction from someone on the board. So maybe more like 3.5 against 0.5. It could have been a total flip flop, but that's a bigger assumption. I have no problem not assuming grand narratives until the basic reporting shakes out.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > I presume this Mira person wasn't totally freelancing She was the interim CEO; it seems that it was her and some of the rest of the executive team, not the board, that wanted Sam to come back. The board apparently was working on finding a new interim CEO to replace Mira that wasn't in Sam's camp more than it was trying to bring Sam back.
    - dundarious 3y ago
      Thanks. So it seems like there were not even any individual flip-flops from the board (until Ilya Sutskever's more recent comments), so they were pretty "steadfast" after all.
ffgjgf1 3y ago
She was the interim CEO not a board member? Considering was supposedly happened appointing her was the smartest thing to do (from the perspective of the board)