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The reporting on this in the last two days has been bizarre and of such shoddy quality, particularly from The Verge. So many articles with no real sources sayi

by maizeq 3y ago

The reporting on this in the last two days has been bizarre and of such shoddy quality, particularly from The Verge. So many articles with no real sources saying the board was desperate for him to come back, or reneged on their decision, or that there would be an exodus of employees! I’m glad the board wasn’t browbeaten by Sam and his cohort of VC friends. I am also incredibly doubtful this will have any meaningful impact in terms of engineers/researchers who will choose to leave. Most of the core group of researchers and engineers joined OpenAI the non-profit, not OpenAI the LLC, that is to say I assume many have strong feelings about safety around AI, which judging by the employee testimonies in the recent Atlantic article Sam acted negligently towards.

paulddraper 3y ago
> the board was desperate for him to come back Who reported that? > reneged on their decision Who reported that? > there would be an exodus of employees The chairman of the board and three senior scientists resigned before the weekend was over. You'd have to be naive to think it's not a strong possibility.
- yeck 3y ago
  Not OP, but the choice of phrasing in a number of reports implied that the board was uncertain of their decision. Normal sensationalization if the same limited information that was publicly available at the time.
- maizeq 3y ago
  https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/18/23967199/breaking-openai-board-in-discussions-with-sam-altman-to-return-as-ceo https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/18/23967199/breaking-openai... https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/18/23967199/breaking-openai-board-in-discussions-with-sam-altman-to-return-as-ceo https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/18/23967199/breaking-openai... “The OpenAI board is in discussions with Sam Altman to return to the company as its CEO, according to multiple people familiar with the matter. One of them said Altman, who was suddenly fired by the board on Friday with no notice, is “ambivalent” about coming back and would want significant governance changes. Update November 18th, 5:35PM PT: A source close to Altman says the board had agreed in principle to resign and to allow Altman and Brockman to return, but has since waffled” Do you want me to hold your hand to google anything else or is that enough? Former-chairman*, he was removed from the board immediately after Sam’s ouster. OpenAI has 700 employees, 4 resignations do not make an exodus.
  - paulddraper 3y ago
    > desperate
    - oska 3y ago
      Just a little bit of feedback. I'm seeing you comment a lot and quite rapidly in these Altman threads and sometimes in a quite reactionary way. (Other times usefully.) This isn't reddit; we're not hear to 'one-up' a parent commenter with a one word response. By the guidelines : > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
      - siva7 3y ago
        I’m sure the one you’re replying to knows the guidelines. No need for the reddit remark.

by maizeq 3y ago

paulddraper 3y ago

> the board was desperate for him to come back Who reported that? > reneged on their decision Who reported that? > there would be an exodus of employees The chairman of the board and three senior scientists resigned before the weekend was over. You'd have to be naive to think it's not a strong possibility.

yeck 3y ago
Not OP, but the choice of phrasing in a number of reports implied that the board was uncertain of their decision. Normal sensationalization if the same limited information that was publicly available at the time.
maizeq 3y ago
https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/18/23967199/breaking-openai-board-in-discussions-with-sam-altman-to-return-as-ceo https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/18/23967199/breaking-openai... https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/18/23967199/breaking-openai-board-in-discussions-with-sam-altman-to-return-as-ceo https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/18/23967199/breaking-openai... “The OpenAI board is in discussions with Sam Altman to return to the company as its CEO, according to multiple people familiar with the matter. One of them said Altman, who was suddenly fired by the board on Friday with no notice, is “ambivalent” about coming back and would want significant governance changes. Update November 18th, 5:35PM PT: A source close to Altman says the board had agreed in principle to resign and to allow Altman and Brockman to return, but has since waffled” Do you want me to hold your hand to google anything else or is that enough? Former-chairman*, he was removed from the board immediately after Sam’s ouster. OpenAI has 700 employees, 4 resignations do not make an exodus.
- paulddraper 3y ago
  > desperate
  - oska 3y ago
    Just a little bit of feedback. I'm seeing you comment a lot and quite rapidly in these Altman threads and sometimes in a quite reactionary way. (Other times usefully.) This isn't reddit; we're not hear to 'one-up' a parent commenter with a one word response. By the guidelines : > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
    - siva7 3y ago
      I’m sure the one you’re replying to knows the guidelines. No need for the reddit remark.