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I think it comes down to "college graduate" is not training for a job. New graduates still need to learn whatever job they take. Companies are now less likely t

I think it comes down to "college graduate" is not training for a job. New graduates still need to learn whatever job they take. Companies are now less likely to spend the time and money it takes to train a new college graduate versus someone with experience. There are few college majors that will train you enough to get a job right out of college. The only one I can think of is accounting. Even there they won't set you loose on your own.

wahnfrieden 3y ago
You’re suggesting college used to provide job training? The trend is reversed actually - fewer humanities, more stem. So this does not explain why job access has grown more challenging
- ttt3ts 3y ago
  Stem != Job. Ignoring software, finding a traditional stem job directly out of college is very challenging. I know many mechanical engineering, bio enginers, chemical engineers who had/have a rough start. I really wish people would stop equating stem to a job. Unless you are willing to move, it is not the case in many job markets.
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    Ok then describe what the change has been? Article is about a change in job access. Saying college doesn’t provide job training is if anything a static truth, not a new change. If that’s been the case before this change then it’s not relevant to the change Besides my point about stem is in comparison to humanities which you don’t address
linguae 3y ago
I agree; I found this to be true even 15 years ago during my college years. I went to a well-known regional university (Cal Poly San Luis Obispo) and noticed that the job outcomes out of college were different for those who did summer internships with major companies versus those who did not. Everyone I know who got an offer to work at a prestigious company fresh out of college interned at a prestigious company for at least a summer. Even in the computer science department, the students who got offers at Microsoft, Google, Apple, and other top companies all did internships at similar companies for at least one summer. The computer science students who did not intern at large companies either ended up at smaller, lesser-known companies or they pursued non-software engineering careers. Now, I know a few CS graduates who didn't start at large software companies but got hired there later in their careers. In general, though, being a Cal Poly student with a good GPA wasn't enough to get a job offer, especially at highly sought-after companies.
- mixmastamyk 3y ago
  Was thinking how I got past this problem. Then remembered I did IT, SysAdmin, and QA work for several years after school. Believe that really paid off in rounding out my knowledge. Some of these jobs are not popular so there are usually openings somewhere.
ttt3ts 3y ago
Most medical degrees require clinical hours and demand means you can usally get a job wherever you do clinicals.
spike021 3y ago
Technically if there are internships available, they usually suffice or mostly suffice as a first step. Problem is where I went to university, most students in my graduating class either didn't know they could or should get an internship, or worse, didn't think it was necessary and they preferred to just play video games all day. Many of them gave up and never ended up becoming SWE's, they went down other paths because they never found an appropriate junior level position.
- valec 3y ago
  Now the problem is it's impossible to get internships.
- deleted 3y ago
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wahnfrieden 3y ago

You’re suggesting college used to provide job training? The trend is reversed actually - fewer humanities, more stem. So this does not explain why job access has grown more challenging

ttt3ts 3y ago
Stem != Job. Ignoring software, finding a traditional stem job directly out of college is very challenging. I know many mechanical engineering, bio enginers, chemical engineers who had/have a rough start. I really wish people would stop equating stem to a job. Unless you are willing to move, it is not the case in many job markets.
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  Ok then describe what the change has been? Article is about a change in job access. Saying college doesn’t provide job training is if anything a static truth, not a new change. If that’s been the case before this change then it’s not relevant to the change Besides my point about stem is in comparison to humanities which you don’t address

linguae 3y ago

I agree; I found this to be true even 15 years ago during my college years. I went to a well-known regional university (Cal Poly San Luis Obispo) and noticed that the job outcomes out of college were different for those who did summer internships with major companies versus those who did not. Everyone I know who got an offer to work at a prestigious company fresh out of college interned at a prestigious company for at least a summer. Even in the computer science department, the students who got offers at Microsoft, Google, Apple, and other top companies all did internships at similar companies for at least one summer. The computer science students who did not intern at large companies either ended up at smaller, lesser-known companies or they pursued non-software engineering careers. Now, I know a few CS graduates who didn't start at large software companies but got hired there later in their careers. In general, though, being a Cal Poly student with a good GPA wasn't enough to get a job offer, especially at highly sought-after companies.

mixmastamyk 3y ago
Was thinking how I got past this problem. Then remembered I did IT, SysAdmin, and QA work for several years after school. Believe that really paid off in rounding out my knowledge. Some of these jobs are not popular so there are usually openings somewhere.

ttt3ts 3y ago

Most medical degrees require clinical hours and demand means you can usally get a job wherever you do clinicals.

spike021 3y ago

Technically if there are internships available, they usually suffice or mostly suffice as a first step. Problem is where I went to university, most students in my graduating class either didn't know they could or should get an internship, or worse, didn't think it was necessary and they preferred to just play video games all day. Many of them gave up and never ended up becoming SWE's, they went down other paths because they never found an appropriate junior level position.

valec 3y ago
Now the problem is it's impossible to get internships.
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