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Totally agree here. While I hope youre right, it's very tough to push these ideas right now. I've been trying to teach advanced front end technologies to front
by jenius 15y ago
Totally agree here. While I hope youre right, it's very tough to push these ideas right now. I've been trying to teach advanced front end technologies to front end guys for a while (haml & ruby logic, sass & sassscript, controlling and compiling files and projects through command line), and generally people have a very tough time picking it up because as "front end devs" they don't really know any programming beyond a bit of jquery.
The popularity of twitter bootstrap pretty much proves your point. With better technology (like sass), it would not be difficult to make a framework that's smarter and more flexible than bootstrap. I made one, it is better, and I have been writing about it and talking about it as much as I can, but NOBODY CARES. Bundle install? Mixin functions that take parameters instead of putting a class on an html element? No curly brackets or angle brackets? Too difficult, too different. Front end devs don't get it. What they do get is "here, paste this stylesheet into the head and everything will automatically look nice." - and now bootstrap is the most watched repo on github.
As much as it drives me crazy right now, I'm hoping that eventually people will start to realize that a truly efficient front end dev needs to know how to program. If you pit me against a dev who is using straight html and css, making the same website, I bet I could double their speed. That counts for a lot... especially when someone's on payroll.
- robin_reala 15y agoIn my experience Bootstrap is a saviour to backend debs who don't want to think about the front end if they can get away with it, not something that particularly interests FEDs.
- mark_story 15y agoIt sounds like you're confusing front-end developer with designer who knows a bit of javascript. I think there is a burgeoning group of developers who build javascript/client side applications. These people aren't really designers, and have programming chops.