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https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/24/dmv-immediately-suspends-cruises-robotaxi-permit-in-california/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/24/dmv-immediately-suspends-c..

by ra7 3y ago

https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/24/dmv-immediately-suspends-cruises-robotaxi-permit-in-california/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/24/dmv-immediately-suspends-c...

sillysaurusx 3y ago
Ah, thank you. Them not disclosing the full video from the outset was a mistake, but it’s surprising that it escalated so much. A human driver could’ve easily made the same mistake — pulling over isn’t uncommon after an accident, and there’s no way to detect someone under your car other than getting out, which is usually not very safe. Oh well. Maybe next decade.
- friendlyasparag 3y ago
  The escalation is perhaps less surprising given that it happened while Cruise had many (much smaller) traffic issues and CPUC was already significantly limiting Cruise. They were on very thin ice.
- ssnistfajen 3y ago
  Witholding the footage was more than just a mistake. If they are being this dishonest over something that wasn't even entirely their fault, what else could they be hiding? And no, most human drivers would easily detect a human being stuck under their vehicle within seconds.
  - SR2Z 3y ago
    A human driver would have probably been driving over the speed limit in this accident. All of these roads are 25 mph, and yet it's not uncommon to see traffic at 40 mph. There's a good chance the woman would have been _killed outright_ if it hadn't been a Cruise. Are we willing to accept strange and inhuman failure modes if they overall lead to better safety than human drivers?
    - ssnistfajen 3y ago
      Please just read on exactly what happened in the accident before making comments about irrelevant frill like the speed limit: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/woman-run-autonomous-vehicle-san-francisco-18403044.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/woman-run-autono...
      - SR2Z 3y ago
        I am pretty familiar with the accident. The speed limit is not irrelevant; the question should not be "did the car behave as a perfect human driver would have?" It should be "was the eventual outcome better than what a human driver would have achieved in the same situation?" It's not actually clear that a human driver would have done better, and given that the human driver in this incident did a hit-and-run and still hasn't been caught, assuming that is... questionable. The safety record of these cars is actually quite good when you consider the environment and times of day they operate in.

by ra7 3y ago

https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/24/dmv-immediately-suspends-cruises-robotaxi-permit-in-california/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/24/dmv-immediately-suspends-c...

sillysaurusx 3y ago

Ah, thank you. Them not disclosing the full video from the outset was a mistake, but it’s surprising that it escalated so much. A human driver could’ve easily made the same mistake — pulling over isn’t uncommon after an accident, and there’s no way to detect someone under your car other than getting out, which is usually not very safe. Oh well. Maybe next decade.

friendlyasparag 3y ago
The escalation is perhaps less surprising given that it happened while Cruise had many (much smaller) traffic issues and CPUC was already significantly limiting Cruise. They were on very thin ice.
ssnistfajen 3y ago
Witholding the footage was more than just a mistake. If they are being this dishonest over something that wasn't even entirely their fault, what else could they be hiding? And no, most human drivers would easily detect a human being stuck under their vehicle within seconds.
- SR2Z 3y ago
  A human driver would have probably been driving over the speed limit in this accident. All of these roads are 25 mph, and yet it's not uncommon to see traffic at 40 mph. There's a good chance the woman would have been _killed outright_ if it hadn't been a Cruise. Are we willing to accept strange and inhuman failure modes if they overall lead to better safety than human drivers?
  - ssnistfajen 3y ago
    Please just read on exactly what happened in the accident before making comments about irrelevant frill like the speed limit: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/woman-run-autonomous-vehicle-san-francisco-18403044.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/woman-run-autono...
    - SR2Z 3y ago
      I am pretty familiar with the accident. The speed limit is not irrelevant; the question should not be "did the car behave as a perfect human driver would have?" It should be "was the eventual outcome better than what a human driver would have achieved in the same situation?" It's not actually clear that a human driver would have done better, and given that the human driver in this incident did a hit-and-run and still hasn't been caught, assuming that is... questionable. The safety record of these cars is actually quite good when you consider the environment and times of day they operate in.